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Debate over Adler shotgun is emotional and ill-informed : Comments

By Brendan O'Reilly, published 24/10/2016

Along with most other shooters, however, I also believe that pump action shotguns of up to five rounds magazine capacity should never have been banned.

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What has gone wrong, Diver Dan?

1. The entertainment media today now produces products which routinely encourages criminal behaviour. There are even books being sold glorifying graffiti and teaching young people how to do it. "Rap" music on any "youth" radio program routinely glorifies, drug abuse, misogyny, and the solving problems with weapons. Other "songs" glorify killing police officers and white people, and the joys of raping your mother. And these products are aimed at the youngest and the dumbest members of our society. Any fool who thinks that the media has no effect on human behaviour, should agree that advertisements for cigarettes and alcohol should be allowed in their kid's books and magazines, and on their kid's TV shows.

We can watch Charles Bronson shoot down 35 bad guys in one movie (Death Wish 4) and think it is very entertaining, and hail Charles Bronson as a hero. Then we wonder why a socially isolated and very lonely dumbass like Martin Bryant picks up a gun and shoots 35 people dead. What we see as entertainment, Bryant sees as a script for upward social mobility.

2. This is occurring at a time when one child in three is living in a single parent household. The entertainment media executives are just as aware of what they are doing to societies most vulnerable, as the cigarette executives where when they targeted children for cigarette addiction.

3. Race and crime are linked. We keep importing into our country the very races and ethnicities who are always dysfunctional because they have a much lower collective IQ than we do, and because they are genetically more prone to violent behaviour than we are. These races are a serious and never ending social problem wherever they go. But the official religion today is "everybody is equal", so we ignore the self evident.

4. We are importing into Australia people from very violent religions and cultures where the normal response to any perceived slight is violence. This is because in these cultures, the male sense of personal honour is still medieval
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 3:16:07 AM
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LEGO, points 1 and 2 are very good, then you went right off the rails mate.

Each new wave of ethnic migration has been associated with some raised criminality within that group and nearly always mainly confined to the group. This is true of the Southern Europeans after WW2, the Lebanese in the 70s, the Vietnamese in the 80s, the Irish and Chinese in the 19th Century. It's always associated with a lack of opportunity for people and it always diminishes over time as opportunity becomes more evenly distributed.

No need to panic, just take a longer view.
Posted by Craig Minns, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 7:22:26 AM
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Re the reference above by Lego to Martin Bryant, who according to official lies was the Port Arthur gunman, the message that he could not have been with details behind it is fortunately now gaining wider recognition thanks to the Internet. Information that the mainly anti gun mainstream media will not publish can now readily be widely circulated and also located with Google searches. Interesting to note comments on Facebook pages of major TV channels after they ran programmes again vilifying Bryant for the 20th anniversary of the Port Arthur Massacre. Lots of people obviously now do not believe them.

Port Arthur was just one of a number of type shootings supposedly done on sole initiative of a deranged "lone nut gunman" that was actually a "false flag". ie Atrocity arranged for the purpose of falsely blaming someone and/or pursuing an agenda. In these cases by anti gun psychopaths to gain support for tough gun laws and covered up with the help of people in high places, including the government, police, judiciary and media.

Fortunately now false flags, including some that occurred long ago are increasingly being exposed. Including with cynics now looking closely at details of each new incident for false flag indications such as participants doing things too early including releasing information on alleged crimes much quicker than would occur under normal police procedures and re shootings, accompanied with a barrage of anti gun propaganda.

Unfortunately so far major shooters organisations and politicians and others supporting them have been too cowardly to properly expose and discredit the "official" Port Arthur story, the main basis of the anti gun agenda in Australia. As with many whistle blowing jobs, those attempting it would first have to anticipate receiving a lot of abuse
Posted by mox, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 9:38:35 AM
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Hi IS MISE...

You first sentence herein confuses me somewhat ? You can load and dispatch, in your Brno side by side 12g, faster then a Lever Action 12g in either 5 or 8 shot respectively, have I got that right? Surely a misunderstanding IS MISE? Would you kindly clarify, precisely what it is you're saying, if you will?
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 12:14:26 PM
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To Craig.

What evidence do you have that Danish, Swedish, Belgian, Latvian, Estonian, German, French, British, or even East Europeans caused crime waves in Australia?

Your assertion that some ethnic criminals prefer to target people from their own ethnicities is partly true, but that hardly justifies it. Home invasions (a crime not even seen in Australia prior to Vietnamese immigration) by Vietnamese criminals exclusively targeted Vietnamese shop owners, but these same Vietnamese criminals also imported the heroin that they sold to Australian kids. They even created $30 dollar "starter kits" (heroin, spoon, lighter,and syringe) which they sold in high schools to Aussie students. Even Aussie crime bosses like Lennie McPherson and Abe Saffron would not stoop that low.

According to the writings of ex-Detective Sergeant Tim Priest, what shocked the NSW Police was not just the scale of Lebanese and Arab criminality, it was that these ethnicities preferred to target white Australians and Asians rather than their own ethnicity. All of the 70 Australian girls gang raped by Muslim race hate rape packs at the time of the 2000 Olympics were "infidels." Rape by Muslim men towards European women is endemic in every western society and it is a disgrace. How many more women do you think should be sacrificed on your altar of multiculturalism before you come to the defence of your own people?

Lastly, you claim that ethnic criminal behaviour decreases with time. Could you post up some proof of this amazing premise? Last I heard, black and Hispanic crime in the USA was as bad as ever, with the Muslims now doing their best to catch up. Please provide proof that Sudanese crime in Melbourne is decreasing.

But I have to hand it to you for at least admitting that ethnic crime is very bad. Criminologist AJ Phillips, who posts on OLO, refuses to even concede that. He claimed it was all a figment of the public's imagination caused by sensationalism in the media, and he even wrote a scholarly paper to that effect. If you have some written "proof" of your assertions, AJ probably wrote them.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 6:15:29 PM
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LEGO,

When did I refuse to concede that ethnic crime is "very bad"?

Where have I said that ethnic crime is a "figment of the public's imagination caused by sensationalism in the media"?

This'll be interesting.

I have never written a scholarly paper suggesting the above either. I don't know where you're getting that from.
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 7:12:09 PM
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