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The need for renewable electricity : Comments

By Mike Pope, published 7/10/2016

If Mr Turnbull had his way on continued use of coal, government would fail to realize its Paris commitment.

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What happens in the Arctic has a significant impact on the climate of the Northern Hemisphere particularly.

A business as usual approach which many are still promoting means stealing the future from our children. The costs of mitigation and adaptation increase with time.

Following the super storm Meranti, it was suggested that a category 6 should be added to the scale used to measure storms.

ExxonMobil continues to be in trouble:

http://thinkprogress.org/exxon-water-lawsuit-b36335e4e093#.sxpq1hqke

The transition away from fossil fuels will take time but is urgent, it becomes more urgent with the passage of time.

http://sites.uci.edu/zlabe/arctic-sea-ice-extentconcentration/
Posted by ant, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 8:10:20 AM
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Another 15, just 61 to go...

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Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 8:53:44 AM
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Craig,

Well done, you now qualify for a mickey mouse competency badge for cut and paste.

I'm not sure what the purpose of your posting of the references used in the dubious paper, other than to demonstrate that you don't know what references are for.

What I did do is check their references, especially with regards pricing, and lo and behold what did I find? They have cherry picked their way through various estimates and chosen the lowest value. A method guaranteed to get an estimator fired.

Looking at the AETA report 2013, the LCOE of the latest CSP storage plant (at that time Gemasolar 2011 (wet cooling, 15hr storage) was US33c /kWhr with the expected cost projections to drop by 50% by 2030.

The Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project is by far the biggest, most efficient and lowest cost /kWhr CSP storage plant built giving a heavily subsidised price of AU18c /kWhr, and the LCOE is likely to be double that included in your paper.

PS, how many of these plants will they build in Sydney to be close to the demand? Note that they will need 1300 of these to meet 50% of the renewable requirement at a cool $1300bn and about 900 000 hectares of land.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 12:06:58 PM
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LCOE is a poor measure, SM. Perhaps you might try reading references before you respond to them?

http://www.eia.gov/conference/2013/pdf/presentations/namovicz.pdf

"Levelized cost of energy (LCOE) has been used by planners, analysts, policymakers, advocates and others to assess the economic competitiveness of technology options in the electric power sector
•While of limited usefulness in the analysis of “conventional” utility systems, this approach is not generally appropriate when considering “unconventional” resources like wind and solar
•EIA is developing a new framework to address the major weaknesses of LCOE analysis
–Based on the “levelized avoided cost of energy” (LACE)
–Provides a better basis for evaluation of both renewable and conventional generation resources"

Here's a few more from that paper I sent you (which you still haven't thanked me for).

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Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 2:21:51 PM
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The flea says Exxon Mobil continues to be ib trouble.
The Exxon Mobil investigation by the compromised Attorney General Schniederman appears to have collapsed,flea, so your ignorant, and baseless presumption of guilt has dissipated:

"How the Exxon Case Unraveled
It becomes clear that investigators simply don’t know what a climate model is.
By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s investigation of Exxon Mobil for climate sins has collapsed due to its own willful dishonesty. The posse of state AGs he pretended to assemble never really materialized. Now his few allies are melting away: Massachusetts has suspended its investigation. California apparently never opened one.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/31/as-exxonknew-collpases-conservative-think-tank-sues-ag-schneiderman-over-exxon-probe-records/
Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 2:48:20 PM
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I'm happy to put up the rest of the references from the paper referred to earlier if anyone wants them.

Just let me know, there are some very interesting reads.
Posted by Craig Minns, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 7:54:43 PM
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