Thanks Geoff of Perth, an excellent article by JFK jnr. I didn't know he was into all this. Hardly anyone will read it. (shaking my head)

I'm up to speed on all of that, bar the earlier history aspects. It's like, oh so obvious, in full view, and yet 'no one knows jack.' It's a sad joke on everyone.

I think he missed a bit re the iranians also had a pipeline deal done already with syria years ago, before the qatari field was known to be so big. but with the sanctions etc it was all on hold, with pipeline to go through syria too, approved way back by assad senior i think.

I have forgotten more than I can recall these days - I had enough of it all, a pathetic joke imo. Al Capone would be impressed at the expansive protection racket being run, I guess he was born at the wrong time lol.

I really liked this line "their narcissistic trope that Mideast nationalists “hate us for our freedoms.” ' 100% on the money. Psychopathic narcissists lots of them in the US (and too many here).

Maybe a miracle will happen? There are tens of thousands of 'Snowdons' in the NSA, CIA and the Military, they aren't all insane psychopaths and they do know what's going on better than JFK jr or anyone.

Putin's only error imo was he too was a "Mosaddegh" for too long too, before the penny dropped. Georgia kind of woke him up i think. (did you know that Mikheil Saakashvili is now an appointed Governor in Ukraine? Suits him down to the ground.)

Despite appearances I no longer care about all this business. Once upon a time I thought it mattered or could be changed, then like Putin I was relieved of my illusions and became dis-illusioned. I think we're screwed and will follow the Pied Piper into destroying our own nation for nothing. And I no longer care. best.
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I have no doubt the USA did do much to manipulate things in the middle East.
as the link stated.

But then, the sale of oil to America and the west made some Arabs like
the Saudi Sheiks,very rich too.

They dont seem to have shared. much of their wealth with poor countries in
the Middle East either

The Arabs have blood on their hands in the middle East also. They slaughtered
Christians and white people nearly wiping them out in the 1800's under the
rule of the Ottomon Empire.

Given these massacres, their hatred and wish to kill whites and Christians,dates
way back before the oil resources manipulations.
I think they would have eventually attacked Europe anyway.

America could have wiped Iraq off the map and just took all the oilfields. I doubt whether the Arabs if they had the same arms would have been so sensitive to The absolute slaughter of Americans.

What conqueror in history has never claimed the spoils of victory (in this case the oil wells)but handed them back to the inhabitants of a conquered country.

When its said it is all about the oil, how do you explain that?

@CHERFUL, hi. History, it's a hard problem. It's been misused by everyone under the Sun. I can appreciate that it's more likely to be influenced by myths/biased history than knowing history objectively. No one knows it all, however it helps to find reasonably unbiased history academic experts who know their particular subject and time period.

Try this idea: "All Humanity has blood on their hands across the globe and across time."

To me that is what a real objective historical truth would look like. The devil is in the details, and those are so easily cherry-picked by Bias and Ideology that they no longer represent the whole/real truth.

So I appreciate where you're coming from, because people have always been constantly misled about history and the reasons for the next war. No one can know everything about any region.

eg "They slaughtered Christians and white people nearly wiping them out in the 1800's under the rule of the Ottoman Empire."

I don't know what you're referring to there. I suppose you didn't know then that ethnic Greeks (similar to ethnic Russians in Ukraine) were mercantile traders, administrators and the educated in the Ottoman empire for centuries, all the way to past the WWI. They remained Greek Orthodox Christians and were not slaughtered, but part of the political apparatus of the empire.

Until 1922 when the Brits organised a Greek army to go take over the new Turkey in an invasion there .... for a while the (non-Ottoman) Greeks won and terrorised the population murdering and pillaging civilians and the army, until Ataturk swung the war around and proceeded to push them into the sea at Smyrna. It was a major disaster.

The outcome was that all the ethnic Greeks whose ancestors had lived their since before Islam was even created were all expelled from Turkey and sent packing (at least those who were not killed or died in the fire.) You need to under stand that Smryna was essentially a majority Ethnic GREEK City in the Ottoman empire for centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919%E2%80%9322)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Smyrna

videos news reels
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/video/montage-city-of-smyrna-burns-during-greco-turkish-war-news-footage/502143210
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If it wasn't for the warmongering power trips of the British Empire mindset, and the ego heads in modern Greece at the time, it would still be one.

Personally, I do not blame the Turks for what happened to the Greeks. It is simply not true the Ottoman empire was some kind of backward tribal lunatic uncivilised religious nutters.

re "Given these massacres, their hatred and wish to kill whites and Christians - attacked Europe anyway."

Well they did invade Europe, that is why Kosovo and Bosnia were full of Muslims. And Europe endlessly invaded the Muslims (and africa, americas asia) which is why the French and British controlled the middle-east post WW2.

What were the Europeans doing there in the first place, it was not their land or people!

Why are the Israelis there today, it is not their land nor people either. The invaded always fights back, French underground against the Nazis = LOGIC.

I will not blame the Palestinians for what happened to the Israelis or for what will happen into the future.

This is why - history is a hard problem. Billions on earth do not know about this story, as the Greeks and Turks lack the PR skills of the Israelis to create global popular "public opinion" out of what are in fact historical myths and distortions.

Most people's beliefs and opinions are wrong.

Anyone who was serious about knowing the true history of Israel would already know all about Truman and what the US did and thought.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/

The United States and the Recognition of Israel: A Chronology
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/palestin.htm

Harry S. Truman diary entry - Read it.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/index.php?documentid=1947diary23&pagenumber=1

I researched the real history over decade, Objectively!
Checked who was reliably vs who was not. Truman Library is only *one piece* of a jigsaw puzzle of ~1000 separate factual pieces of the real picture.

I came to my conlcusions based on evidence. It's a con.

The #1 reason why Palestinians have never stopped fighting and calling out this 70 year criminal injustice by the whole world.
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Chereful said;
I think they would have eventually attacked Europe anyway.

They did ! Dozens of times. In the late 18th century they were
defeated at the gates of Vienna by Austrian and Polish armies.
Of course also they invaded Spain and held it for some hundreds of years.
Greece was occupied and only got its freedom in the 19th or 20th century.
They shelled the Parthenon which is why it is so damaged. ISIS ? Hmmm
They also invaded France and got up to near a village called Paris.
Every few hundred years they have another go.
They are trying again with a new tactic called immigration.

Thomas,

You are all over the place, some conquests are OK, but others are not?

The palestinians can be forgiven for the atrocities they commit, as the Israelis are to blame simply for existing.

The moment that you believe that the rest of the world is wrong, and you have the secret should be the point when you realize that you are a conspiracy theorist.

I will not blame the Israelis for what happened to the Palestinians or for what will happen into the future.