Thomas O'Reilly,

I thank you for taking the time to debate this issue with me.

I understand some of the points you made, and acknowledge their
truth.

But I think, although mass immigration and refugees are different in
their origin the threat to any country's co-hesion long term must be
considered as a real possibility because we see so much war
around the world and across history between different ethnic groups
trying to carve out separatist states, or civil wars over government rule.

The war in Syria started again between two tribes. The Sunni Arabs who were experiencing survival economic issues through lack of adequate resources
and were having trouble feeding their families, they stormed Damascus in huge numbers,

Assad and his tribe the Allawartes saw it as a threat to their own
territorial control and survival and so responded with all out brutal ,territorial ,defence.
I did hear one rebel describe it, as making a decision to take up arms to join the revolution. And thats the way Assad read it., as a territorial attempted take over.
Since the war started all sorts of groups and countries have taken sides
but basically it is. Syrias civil war.

Before satellite Television we never had to watch the horror of war on our
Televisions and it makes us all sad and praying somehow for it to end.
But it is the way mankind has always behaved for thousands of years and
I dont think we have basically changed at the biological survival level.

Armchair Criitic,

And why cant the Leaders in these grossly overpopulated countries,
set up these chicken farmers to feed their people with all the billions of dollars
they have been given for decades surely they could have purchased
a Few million chickens or more by now.

I cant believe we still see people drinking dirty water in 3rd world countries, surely
with a few of the billions in foreign aid over 40years, they could have built pipes lines and purifying pumps all around the country, like Western countries have.

I think the incompetence is coming from the male leaders in these countries and it is about time they were held accountable for the results instead of blaming every one else
and expecting to be rescued all the time.

Oh David, my David crowed : "Thanks for posting yet another comment confirming your pathological hatred of Jews."

How long has English been a 3rd language for you David? Perhaps dyslexia?

Either way your lack of reading comprehension skill must be one of your most serious challenges. Oh well, life has it's ups and downs mate, but you do have my pity.

David, you bring up the word "pathological" - what a remarkable coincidence for I was already prepared with some material to specifically post on this thread.

Here is a very short list of Jews whom I love, admire and respect enormously.

Hear Psychologist Ross Rosenberg explaining all about Pathological Narcissists aka Manipulators
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7j2axIRja4

- Codependency and Trauma Recovery -
What would Israelis do without their Codependent Relationship with the Palestinians?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-rPTGt1w1o

Samuel Vaknin with the engaging RUTH JACOBS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU305NqXT94

My favourite Cognitive Scientist George Lakoff - wow what a teacher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjNwXx2DwcQ

Two Giants of TRUTH TELLING in Noam Chomsky & Glenn Greenwald
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYBJDRmSMRY

The absolutely drop-dead gorgeous and lovable Naomi Klein
http://www.alternet.org/story/142341/naomi_klein_shows_you_can_boycott_israel_without_cutting_off_dialogue_over_palestine

Byron Katie working with an Israeli woman who is afraid of war!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwerzf5gIH0

Leaving the best for last is Marshall Rosenberg - VISION OF THE FUTURE - Non-Violent Communication
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwHBD7Ihy5U

“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” - Thomas Paine, The American Crisis


PS I hadn't seen this new Hasbara line before "...in areas under Arab occupation..."
Suddenly the Arab's are occupying themselves (?) - this must be stopped now! LOL

Now that's a brilliant bait'n'switch Sophism right there. A sophism is a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone. A sophist is a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments.

What Is a Psychopath? - The neuroscience of psychopathy reports some intriguing findings
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0

Self-Assessment on Psychopathy / Narcissistic Personality Disorder
http://www.counseling-office.com/surveys/test_psychopathy.phtml
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//It is however irrelevant because the war is not about the religion of either side.
It is over control of the land//

Of course it is. I wonder why Dave can't admit that, and likes to pretend that this all about religious persecution. Maybe he thinks he's fooling somebody other than himself.

It was the same in Northern Ireland: the Troubles were not so much about Proddies vs. Left-footers as they were about the English pinching a bit of land in the North of Eire and refusing to give it back. Presumably if Dave read a speech by an IRA leader calling for the English to feck off (I'm paraphrasing), he would have interpreted it as calling for pogroms against Irish Protestants. That's Davidian logic for you.

//Thanks for posting yet another comment confirming your pathological hatred of Jews.//

Oh here we go... Dave's up to his usual tricks. Give it a rest, you tool. We've seen it all before: everyone that disagrees with Dave hates the Jews. That's his first allegation of anti-Semitism for the thread. If past behaviour is any indicator, as people continue to criticise his arguments we should standby for full Davidian tantrum mode within a couple of posts. Everybody, make sure you have box of tissues ready for when Dave pulls out his most devastating (only) insult: jew-hater.

In response to Dave's persistent attempts top drag down the level of discussion by insulting everybody that disagrees with him, I'm going to share one of my favourite jokes with you every time he does it to make the forum more enjoyable. To make it even more fun, I'm going to mix it up between Jewish jokes and Scottish jokes where I've replaced the word 'Scotsman' with 'Jew': see if you can pick which ones are which!

Q: Why do Jews have skinny dicks?
A: Because they're such tight-fisted wånkers.

@CHERFUL, hi thanks.

re "the threat to any country's co-hesion long term must be
considered"

Precisely what Arab states and Palestinians had an issue with in 1944 ongoing. One leader 'the Germans uprooted and murdered the Jews not us, why are they coming to take our land and not German land?'

Europe's, Hansen's people's concerns about mass muslim migration is as 'less valid' than SYSTEMATIC ORGANISED ZIONIST FUNDED Mass 'Jewish/European' migration into Palestine - I separate help for war refugees from permanent migration, most cannot.

re "The war in Syria started again between two tribes."

That's a misreadi, NOT your fault, reporting of the real facts never happens. Our 'news' and 'Oz politicians' are dumbed down. research Josuha Landis historian.

AGW/CC Drought 'hunger' triggered the 'protests' but the opportunistic 'civil war' that it is driven by outside forces, Assad's govt said from day one. I agree but not because I 'believe them', it's a fact from multiple sources.

Who is behind the 'civil war' then? Saudis, Qatar, Turkey, Israel, USA 'CIA black ops', PR by wealthy ideological 'think tanks'.

Same with Morsi in Egypt, in Ukraine, in Iraq, back in Chile 1974. (this is not a psychotic conspiracy theory, it's real geo-politics writ large, targets being the Shia, Iran, Russia/China $!)

Then ISIS/Al Queda got involved 'helped' with destablisation. They could have been taken out in less than a month years ago. The "coalition" is a Myth, a joke, a Con.

eg 'report' real journo
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
and
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

re "responded with all out brutal ,territorial ,defence."

Don't believe the TV news. Assad security,military forces are not saints, however, there is more to the story.

re "assad read it territorial attempted take over"

...from the OUTSIDE, his response was ethical, moral, and his Duty as president, imo.

re "the way mankind has always behaved for thousands of years "

YES, political intrigue in the palaces of monarchies since day one, using the people/syrians as cannon fodder for psychopathic power games.

If 'the people' knew the whole truth (we do not) this psychopathic insanity would stop.

It will not!

http://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/review-dangerous-allies-by-malcolm-fraser/

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Thomas, you may enjoy this piece on Syria

http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/2016/09/19/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-by-robert-f-kennedy-jr/#more-6493

Also the writing of Dr Paul Craig Roberts, if you are not already familiar with his website

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org

Cheers
Geoff