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United Nations rebuked for promoting Palestinian ethnic cleansing Of Jews : Comments

By David Singer, published 21/9/2016

'We have frankly said, and always will say: If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won't agree to the presence of one Israeli in it...'

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Hey CHERFUL,
I can't buy into the idea of world hunger and famine.
I know that 1 single employee is all that is required to take care of 100,000 chickens through their 6 week growing cycle from day 1 to the chopping block.
Of course there's other required jobs like the hatchery, feed production and processing, but essentially 1 single person is all that is requires to do the main work of raising and caring for the chickens that leads to half a million meals on peoples plates.

Don't buy into the idea of world hunger.
Its incompetence, pure and simple.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 22 September 2016 10:17:44 PM
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@CHERFUL, hi, maybe ima sucker but your questions look genuine to me, so I'll give it a shot. It would help if you were aware of what was aid before incl Singer.

re "The Jews in Israel were displaced refugees after world war 2"

Partly true. Millions were, many more than the jewish were refugees. The war over, the Nazis were no longer a threat.

Not all the jews ending up in Israel were genuine 'war refugees.'

That most were refugees makes no difference to issue was "the State" of Israel legitimate then or now. Be very clear about this.

re "The Arab attitude is they should never have had to accept so many
Jewish refugees."

Similar to John Howard, Pauline and others re OZ? My reading is yes, they thought they should not have been required or forced to accept so many.

However, 'the State' who controlled Palestine was not the Arabs during the War and after, it was the British Government. While there was varying views in the UK the GOVT view was - Palestine was not a fit place for mass immigration of permanent Refugees, Jewish or not.
These things are documented btw.

re "But hypocritically The same Arabs and people who support that idea in the United nations, then turn around and say Europe and Australia should accept huge numbers of Arab refugees fleeing from the Syrian war."

Some do, some don't. I for myself. The world is full of hypocrites. In a perfect world Temporary Visas for Syrians etc would be available everywhere safe and could cope, but supported by global humanitarian aid where ALL contributed tot he cost of a (short term yrs) compassionate and sensible response. If only there was a sensible Govt in 192+ nations, there isn't. If there was Syria would not be happening in the first place.

re "Your dislike of what Pauline Hanson is saying is directly at odds with "

Stop. Who said I disliked what Pauline is saying? I totally understand her position. I think it is wrong but the opposite is also wrong.
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Friday, 23 September 2016 12:42:12 AM
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re "your dislike of all the Jewish refugees that were granted assylum in Palestine after world war2. by the British."

Stop. I do not "dislike" Jewish refugees or Jews, in or out of Palestine. I dislike some people who happen to be Jewish/Zionists, but that's not the cause of it.

British did grant asylum to some, then shut the door - just like Oz, EU & USA, enough was enough. The jewish refugees kept coming but they ALL had options. They had NO valid claim to Palestine, none of them.

Illegals kept coming, some brought ARMS & Bombs to fight the British and the Arabs who lived there.

re "Because the Arabs conspired and colluded with Hitler."

Besides the point. Some did, some didn't. You cannot blame every Arab in and out of Palestinian as "conspiring" with Hitler.

If they were so bad - why would jews go there in the first place - it wasn't "Israel" then!

re "Are you for mass immigration of refugees seeking assylum or are you only for it for certain bloodlines"

Not an either/or question, to complex to simplify. I am FOR anyone being able to "seek asylum" anywhere and processed to the UN conventions.

I am against nations who refuse the Convention or refuse to admit all "asylum seekers" on face value emergency. Mine included.

Illegal immigrants crashing borders in Palestine in 1940s and in Europe/US is very different.

Against uncontrolled "mass immigration" which is NOT the same as "mass flows of refugees".

"Immigration" means they are approved, given Permanent Residency or similar. But no one can stop people fleeing as refugees.

I hope that answers your questions Cherful.

I note that 99% of the time no one answers anyone's questions on this forum properly or sincerely. But that's their problem not mine.

Now the big question is: Was the time and effort I put into this reply worth it or not? Maybe I wasted 20% of daily posts. Time will tell, I will learn fast.

http://www.paradoxicalcommandments.com
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Friday, 23 September 2016 1:11:12 AM
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#Rhys Jones

75% of Israel's population - 6.1 million people - are Jewish. The other 25% are mainly Arab.

Israel is the Jewish National Home of the Jewish people.

Why are you so anxious to cover over these important facts?

#Rojama

"Why can't ALL these peoples get along and live in a common landscape?? "

They can and do in Israel. They cannot in areas under Arab occupation and control in Gaza and the West Bank.

#Aidan

What the UN supports or does not support is immaterial. What Hamas and the PLO supports is what is relevant. Read their Charters where it is all clearly set out.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/plocov.asp

Abbas's statements on ethnic cleansing of Jews follow those two evil documents.

#mikk

I don't try to shut you up. Why do you want to shut me up?

#nicknamenick

Had the Arabs not expressed their hostile intentions to get rid of Israel in 1967 and prepared and readied to attack Israel to do so - we would not be discussing these issues today.

Gaza probably would have still been under Egyptian administration as it had been between 1948-1967 and the West Bank and East Jerusalem would still be reunified with Jordan.

#Thomas O'Reilly

Thanks for posting yet another comment confirming your pathological hatred of Jews.

#rache
See my earlier response to #Rhys. You seem to have the same mindset as him. Why?
Posted by david singer, Friday, 23 September 2016 1:53:23 PM
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//75% of Israel's population - 6.1 million people - are Jewish. The other 25% are mainly Arab.

Israel is the Jewish National Home of the Jewish people.//

Well that's nice, Dave.

59.5% of Britain's population - 38.1 x 10^6 people - are Christian. The other 40% are mostly atheists.

England is the English National Home of the Church of England. Scotland is the Scottish National Home of the Church of Scotland. Wales is the National Home of the Church in Wales, but they're not an established church.

Is a citizen of the UK necessarily a Christian? Well if Israelis and Jews are the basically the same thing, then he must be, right? At least according to Davidian logic.

But I reckon there's still a good chance he's a Pastafarian. Who knows, he might even be a Jew.

The fundamental point that Dave can't, or won't, accept was pointed out in the second sentence of the first post:

//There is a difference between Jew and Israeli//

In exactly the same way that there is a difference between a Scotsman and a Christian. To confuse, or deliberately attempt to conflate the two, is an elementary logical error. Once again I find myself wishing that I could draw Venn diagrams on OLO.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 23 September 2016 6:56:15 PM
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Toni Lavis

Their are indeed different tribes of the same religion.

And they too will go to war with each other as we have seen with the Shiite and sunni tribes both whom believe in Islam

Which proves what I always say that the religion is used as an excuse to commit
genocide and what it is really about is, tribal territorial warfare.

The war between the Israelies and the Palestinians is basically a war over the
land. it has nothing to do with the religion of either side,
All wars are over the control of land or resources like the gold mine in West Papua
contolled by the Indonesians.

The term Jew as you say is used fairly,loosely when referring to the people of Israel.
It is however irrelevant because the war is not about the religion of either side.
It is over control of the land,
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 23 September 2016 11:00:19 PM
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