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By John Nicol and Jennifer Marohasy, published 16/9/2016At high altitudes, the greenhouse gases provide the only mechanism for the radiation of heat from the atmosphere to space.
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Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 17 September 2016 1:30:02 PM
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Aidan,
Something that you seem to be unaware of is that the IPCC cites Kevin Trenberth’s ‘Earth energy Budget’ to show that ~50% of the heat leaving the surface is from evapotranspiration (coming largely from the oceans), assisted by 11% from its partner; convection. The total balance is from ALL infrared radiation which is given as only 39%, of which 64%% escapes directly to space through ‘transparent windows’ in the absorption spectra. That leaves only 14% of surface heat loss via ALL GHG radiation of which CO2 is a small part. At the TOA the total heat loss from all EMR, including reflections is obviously 100%. There is no dispute that CO2 is a GHG and will nominally result in warming, however not all feedbacks contributing to NET OUTCOMES are positive (amplifying). What climate alarmists are not keen to discuss or research is that if surface temperature increases, so too will evapotranspiration and convection, probably further AIDED by increased advection (winds). Given that the great majority of the current heat loss is from evapotranspiration and convection, it seems likely that there is a big negative feedback. This would be regarded by most alarmists as very, very inconvenient information. You can trust the following source for the IPCC/Trenberth’s analysis because it comes from Skeptical Science: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Tracking_Earths_Energy.htm Posted by Bob Fernley-Jones, Saturday, 17 September 2016 1:34:29 PM
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@Armchair Critic, what Kerry says is reasonably correct (for a politician). The Climate Science has been saying that for, gosh, at least the last 20 years! Your problem is that you still do not understand what is "really" being said and already well known. Educate yourself better. Ask for help from those who do know what you do not.
@Aidan: "It is well known that water vapour is a much more powerful greenhouse (effect) gas than carbon dioxide." Yes, and they also know that ALL heat is generated by the Sun and if it wasn't for our Atmosphere we'd already be fried and frozen daily. Unfortunately the ignorant denier dweebs here do not have a clue about anything. Well except for generating hot air from their bowels and mouths on a daily basis. @ttbn, you are 'crap'! And a gutless coward who is an abject Idiot! Go be a abusive cyber-stalking Troll somewhere else. In your own toilet closet and disconnected from the internet preferably. @Bob Fernley-Jones, it is a criminal offense to impersonate others. Please stop trying to masquerade as someone with intelligence or who has true knowledge about Climate Science. Skeptical Science was created to assist people like yourself. It's loaded with Volunteers willing to answer questions by those who do not have a clue. It is perfect for people like you, once you are willing to accept that you you are not very intelligent, and you don't know shite about Climate Science. God gave us all two ears and two eyes so we could listen and learn twice as much as we are able speak. Try it one day. Silence is golden! Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Saturday, 17 September 2016 3:17:01 PM
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Sceptics might be interested in looking at an article 13/9/16 In "NoTricksZone". It deals with a bloke who cooked the Books on the subject on Wikipeda. Climate hysterics and bulldusters should avoid it for health reasons.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 17 September 2016 4:21:25 PM
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Jennifer Marohasy PhD states:
"I made a request for the same in a letter to Grant Hehir, Auditor-General of Australia, with supporting information on 11th November 2015. This requested was rejected without any consideration of the evidence." re her posting Auditor-General Dismisses Need for Scrutiny of Bureau’s Homogenization Methodology http://jennifermarohasy.com/2016/06/audit-general-dismisses-need-for/ I ask again of Marohasy: WHY ARE YOU LYING ABOUT and SPREADING DISINFORMATION OF THIS MATTER TO THE PUBLIC? WHY ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY NOT TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH ABOUT THIS MATTER? Could it be that you and John Abbot are not as clever as you imagined you were, and foolishly believed that you would not be caught out being intentionally deceptive to your readers and the public? Or that if you were, it would not matter anyway? Why does the IPA engage the services of a paid Research Fellow like Marohasy when she is provably dishonourable, dishonest and unethical? Why does the IPA pay for a Research Fellow who makes false statements to the public about the BOM and the ANAO and their staff? Or does the IPA also have no ethics or integrity? - AN IDIOTS GUIDE TO CLIMATE SCIENCE and Global Climate Models By Gavin Schimdt, a real qualified sientist at NASA/GISS http://www.ted.com/talks/gavin_schmidt_the_emergent_patterns_of_climate_change That talk was obviously made for the benefit of people such as Emeritus Prof John Nicol (Geologist) and Jennifer Marohasy PhD (Biology). Here are few more instructional videos along the lines of An IDIOTS GUIDE TO CLIMATE SCIENCE - the target market is obviously right here! Climate Science 1956: A Blast from the Past http://youtu.be/sdALFnlwV_o CO2 & the Atmosphere http://youtu.be/E9eGzPxA1Dg Welcome to the Anthropocene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGtCkv7_nIs Greenland: A Ring of Mountains (with a 3klm thick ice sheet the size of QLD) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmC7-DrAuJU 'Demise of the Great Barrier Reef' - 2016 Coral Bleaching Event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY9p746teHE The End of the Line.Documentary 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZdUSi9z38Y Global warming & overfishing: SEA THE TRUTH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V325y7QCg3c The Arctic's Record Breaking Ice Melt 2012 (2016 #2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaKqhRTqSlg Climate, Ice, and Weather Whiplash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7EHvfaY8Zs Frozen Planet Ep No. 2 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsdlvl_frozen-planet-ep-no-2_shortfilms http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011vc1z Peter Ward Our Future In a World Without Ice Caps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtHlsUDVVy0&feature=youtu.be&t=32m22s - Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Saturday, 17 September 2016 5:04:15 PM
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More From the IDIOT'S GUIDE to CLIMATE SCIENCE for Nicol, Marohasy et al
aka a Video Treatise for the 'Not Knower' The 2013 Annual GWPF Lecture - John Howard Showing how much of an unintelligent gullible fool he is! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJwDwLabGCc Ove Hoegh Guldberg - Climate change in the ocean - the big picture? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osOmoq-0fhk Kevin Anderson 'Rhetoric to Reality' http://youtu.be/KumLH9kOpOI Medieval Warm Period -- fact vs. fiction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY4Yecsx_-s No Slowdown in Global Warming (2013 old news) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=047vmL6Q_4g Noam Chomsky: How Climate Change Became a 'Liberal Hoax' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUA4cm0Rck A New Climate State: Arctic Sea Ice 2012 http://youtu.be/ZYaubXBfVqo Hans Rosling - 200 years of global change http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grZSxoLPqXI Global Warming: An Uncontrolled Experiment http://youtu.be/XygKbidDD0I "We Have To Consume Less": Scientists Call For Radical Economic Overhaul to Avert Climate Crisis (POLAND COP 2013) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQ7cOUjwgM "Time is Running Out: Ecology or Economics?" - David Suzuki http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wtUMM8SDws Climate Change: Next Generation Nuclear Power (Catalyst ABC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JijgbC8uNRo LFTRs in 5 minutes - Thorium Reactors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY World's First NUCLEAR SALT REACTOR Documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrg9_mrNSQ ThEC13 - Thorium Energy R&D in China http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9KCJ-yNAyg Enough Is Enough: Full Film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ-LYElvtEU Building a Sustainable Economy in a World of Finite Resources http://steadystate.org/discover/enough-is-enough/ George Lakoff: Moral Politics (old news 2008 but Facts don't Change) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9R9MtkpqM What is "Capitalism 3.0"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdRHKp--elw Who is Afraid of the Big Bad Climate? What is the Worst That Global Warming Could Do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP_Fvs48hb4 CO2 is CO2 is CO2 - Science Literacy Public Outreach for Universities http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP_Fvs48hb4&feature=youtu.be&t=35m13s Communicating Climate Science: A Historic Look to the Future http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_-8u86R3Yc Dr. Michael Mann - Are We In Runaway Climate Change? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYztqmno6jw AUSTRALIANS FOR COAL. What is your investment dollar doing? http://youtu.be/tqXzAUaTUSc 50% of global CO2e comes from only 10% of the population Kevin Anderson March 2016 Implementation of the COP21 Paris Agreement, a scientific perspective http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVJ8lMIm9-c&feature=youtu.be&t=36m53 - Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Saturday, 17 September 2016 5:07:41 PM
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You see, in a molten salt reactor the fuel is already molten and the simple design is walk away safe! It operates at normal atmospheric pressure, so there is no inherent pressure to be contained in a pressure chamber and inside a hardened building.
The Indians are said to be working on a 300 MW prototype and suggest it'll be operational this year? The chinese are also beavering away at this technology, given its pollution free promise?
The early prototypes were around 40 MW, which can be mass produced for far less cost than any conventional reactor! Used in parallel 10 (shipping container sized) units i.e., can become a 400MW power plant! And for far less than any comparable coal fired or conventional power plant!
They can therefore be trucked or shipped almost anywhere, even a waterless desert, given heat transfer can be accomplished with gas, say helium.
Of additional interest, nuclear technology has enabled science to turn Co2 into a compressible liquid and a possible forerunner of man made hydrocarbon fuel?
Apparently we can already extract copious Co2 from seawater far out at sea to make jet fuel!?
Don't take my word for it, get on u tube and listen to the TEDx lectures.
I understand the Indians have incorporated at least one into a conventional reactor to burn the waste they create from that.
Suggest you get on u tube and listen to highly credentialled experts giving their TEDx lectures at Copenhagen, so you and any other interested party can become more fully informed. Then if that's your pleasure, challenge their knowledge?
Once we the people are fully informed we can demand of the do nothing pollies, Just don't do something, stand there!
Alan B.