Craig Minns brings up "the negative consequences....of treating....climate climate change as real...".

That's what hysterics and liars are doing now, is it not, and it is costing us billions. How much more negativity and wasted money does he think is possible? Global 'warming' turned out to be bulldust, so they switched to 'climate change' which has always been part of nature for long before the liars and hysterics turned up, and people adapted. They were not educated in unecessary crap,as people are now; they accepted that that they were part of the natural world, and had to live on its terms, and they didn't think of themselves as demigods who could control nature. They believed in much higher things than todays's atheistic Marxists who believe that they have to bring the rest of us to heel by any means. As with SSM, multiculturalism, diversity and all the other left crap, so too is 'climate change' a power grab and attempt to control, as well as downright theft from the public purse.

Bob,

You can have 2×350 at one go, but no more than 3 posts in 24 hours on the one thread. Only if you keep talking sense, and successfully educate Craig Minns, of course :).

Empirical evidence of substance indicates human induced change to climate is real but is not caused by CO2 emissions.
It should not be presumed CO2 emissions are the cause, when in reality there may be another cause, an unseen cause or a cause not wanted to be seen.
Government dumped sewage for example.

The human population has reached 7.3 billion.
Rivers and coastal ecosystems have been turned into sewers to dump nutrient loaded sewage waste.

Nutrient overload pollution is continuing to proliferate masses of algae plant matter that can be seen linked to precipitation and formation of pinpoints of cloud that form bigger cloud.
Satellite images show pinpoints of cloud forming above known algae inundated waters where microscopic algae are so dense they can be observed from satellites.
Google: cloud streets NASA images. Zoom into the pinpoints of cloud. Explain whatever reason that apparent phenomena. E.g. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=40716

Answers to a few questions might reveal what is actually happening to the air and sea and land environment of this planet.
What causes the “El Nino” phenomena?
Why are some areas of ocean heating much more than other similar areas?
Why are Sea Surface Temperature measurements an anomaly in AGW CO2 science?
Is increase in CO2 actually deflecting more solar heat in upper atmosphere?

What could be the social and environment and economic consequences of failure to develop solutions to a cause of ocean area warming and change to cloud caused by something other than CO2 emissions

Jennifer wrote;

"for me this issue, my article with John Nicol, is all about getting to the truth of the matter and being honest to enlightenment science"

Whew wee. That is a doosey.

The issue is more about the truth not lining up with your politics.

Knowledge is power! Get on U tube and the TEDx Lectures, or if you're willing to give up two hours from the rest of your life? Listen to the NASA lecture on molten salt reactors and thorium! Then choose the truth over the blind ideological dogma that seeks to prevent the truth from being disseminated? And just what you'd expect when reason and logic are replaced by fossil fuel funded activism?

There is absolutely nothing to fear from the mighty irrefutable truth! Unless you are somehow hurt by it?

And without question the fossil fuel industry, its bottom line/profit curve are in the cross hairs? And indeed some of the nations almost exclusively reliant on the sale of petroleum products for their economic national well being, power and influence! Know the truth and the truth will set you free!

Today I watched an airplane flying on fuel created out of extracted Co2 and hydrogen! Using nuclear technology!

Now if all the energy dependant hydrocarbon importers did that? The oil barons would lose all power and influence and the money tap that has made some of them extremely wealthy! Expect pandemonium on an epic scale!

Jenny, Bob and ttbn can obfuscate, become increasingly irrelevant or increasingly abusive? And if it prevents you checking the published and scientifically validated facts for yourself? Then their strategy and asinine activism will have succeeded? Is that what you want?
Alan B.

Looks like there could be something to CO2 cooling at lower atmospheric levels. Venus is not doing what was expected.
"The strangely cold region lies about 78 miles (125 kilometers) above the planet's surface, and appears to host temperatures around minus 283 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 175 degrees Celsius). It's sandwiched between warmer layers on both sides."
http://www.space.com/17850-venus-atmosphere-cold-layer.html

Then right down at the surface and below.
"It may seem downright bizarre, but a new model of Venus' super-hot atmosphere suggests its greenhouse gases may actually be cooling the planet's interior."
"http://www.space.com/9155-hellish-venus-atmosphere-cooling-effect.html