mhaze, sophistry once again.

You stated:

"I also suspect that our great-grand-kids will find it mildly amusing that those relative paupers from 2016 thought it prudent to totally gut their economy to fix a problem that they would see as a mere irritant."

Where are your references.

The Fort McMurray fires were more than an irritation, with about 100,000 being displaced and infra structure being lost..
All the storms since Sandy have been more than an irritant, costing billions of dollars.
The "Third Pole" is more than an irritant, with worries of water supplies in the future for a number of Asian countries.
Arctic sea ice melting as quickly as it has been is more than an irritant. The cryosphere acts as an air conditioner for the planet.
A large chunk of ice shelf of about 6,000 square kilometres in size will sooner or later calf from the Larson C ice shelf of Eastern Antarctica. More of an irritation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/08/22/a-huge-crack-is-spreading-across-one-of-antarcticas-biggest-ice-shelves/?utm_term=.644119fbd413

Temperature of 50C and a spike of 60C is quite an irritant as experienced in the Middle East recently.

The floods in Louisianna are expected to cost $1.5 billion dollars, more than an irritant.

Having to move isolated Inuit communities has heavy costs, more than an irritant.

Miami spending millions on infra structure to create an interim measure to ward off sea rise is more than an irritation.

fwiw

21 x Monckton Errors in under 4 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRCyctTvuCo&feature=youtu.be&t=7m36s
- shows people do make a Free Choice on which side of History they wish to be Remembered.

First Commandment for 'Truth Tellers': Thou Shall Not Commit Logical Fallacies - http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1420756844457.jpg :-)

Good Refs fyi:

http://esgs.free.fr/uk/logic.htm
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com

Critical Thinking or Wishful Thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OedkyxEqtA

Five Characteristics of Science Denial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXA777yUndQ

The difference between real Skepticism and Denial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--pyeRHCpRM

Ideological Bias
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj1-tDKuHno

We need to teach children HOW to think rather than WHAT to think – Margaret Mead http://www.schoolofthought.org -

Cognitive Science output: George Lakoff (mathematician/scientist/linguist)

"There is no linear Left to Right order - there is no ideology of the Moderate"

Covers Families Politics Enlightenment Reason Neuro-science Conservative Strict Father Model Empathy Self-Interest Adam Smith Founding Fathers Government Basis Values Metaphor How People Think and Why - watch for about 10 mins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCXxc_M9EmE&feature=youtu.be&t=23m39
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Thomas O'Reilly,

What's wrong with Marohasy skipping over things when you have skipped over evidence of warmth in ocean algae that I posted on page 17 of this thread?

Ignorance with intent can involve lack of integrity.

@JF Aus, ask what's the difference between what I say/do versus what Marohasy says/does?

A good question. For starters I am not pretending to be an environmental or climate scientist (appeal to authority) with science on my side and that I must be 100% right.

I am saying / suggesting that people are wise to go look at the scientific literature yourself and if it's too hard then ask someone about it who can explain it to you, especially an active climate scientist, to whom I provided a few links where that can be done.

My suggestions were don't listen to blogs, forums, newspapers, even the UNFCCC or the IPCC as if it is "perfect" ... but make genuine inquiries.

I am not accusing the BOM, Nasa/Giss, and almost all the people involved in climate science of being liars and frauds or defaming each one of them by publicly accusing them of intentionally corrupting the data to make up a fake global warming crisis that doesn't exist.

Neither am I accusing 30,000 people of being rank idiots and so unscientific and gullible that they are involved in a global conspiracy intent on shutting down the global economy industry mining et al in order to form a Global UN Government and the destruction of human liberty on Earth.

No, I do not do that.

Plus I gave very straight answers to your questions before JF Aus.

I am not the PR spokesperson for the Climate Change Union of Scientists either.

In regards to Marohasy, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary proof. The onus is upon her not I.

Marohasy is not and will never be the judge of whether her accusations are correct or not. That is for others to decide. Not me.

I'm merely offering up a personal opinion about all that given what I know I know, and what I know I do not know. I know she's wrong.

You don't need to believe me anymore than you have to believe what Marohasy claims.

Cheers -

JF Aus

You keep raising algal impact in relation to climate change, its a chicken or egg situation. You push the chicken. You provide a diversion, nothing more.

https://www.epa.gov/nutrientpollution/climate-change-and-harmful-algal-blooms

Thomas O'Reilly,

"Neither am I accusing 30,000 people of being rank idiots and so unscientific and gullible that they are involved in a global conspiracy intent on shutting down the global economy industry mining et al in order to form a Global UN Government and the destruction of human liberty on Earth."

You should.
Because then you'd understand that unlike some I'll never be a mindless servile scumbag of George Soros or any other of the elites global government agendas.
They overstate the problem, then propose solutions to the said problems they publicised in order to get the public to go along with whatever agenda they had in the first place.
Its Hegelian dialectic, problem, reaction, solution.

Maybe I see the elites Global Government agendas as being potentially more harmful than climate change.
So whatever they're selling, I'm not buying.