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Deradicalisation in refugee camps and beyond : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 24/5/2016

Host countries must employ special methods to thwart any infiltration attempts by violent extremists under the guise of being refugees, and develop a countering violent extremism plan that encompasses all aspects of deradicalisation.

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What appears on display here seems to be an expectation that the host countries will continue to be host countries! Which is just not a foregone conclusion!

Whereas if radicalized youth full of self pity, blame shifted bitterness and hate, get more violent and less grateful for (taken for granted) christian charity?

All that's likely to happen is they'll kill the goose that lays the golden egg; and see wholesale forced repatriation of all non european migrants and ever increasing isolationism as the only visible or conceivable solution left to Christian Europe?

And given the awesome arsenals of weapons in european armories, a very dangerous turn of events for muslims the world over!?

Who will likely be factored in as the new common enemy? And shown the door or worse!?

Almost every day the hardline right wing nationalists gain more ground and influence in the alleged host countries, and ably assisted by the very radicals discribed in the article!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 24 May 2016 10:37:09 AM
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Alan,
Correct, Liberal Democrats have been able to withstand the Islamic insurgency within EU borders and even use it as leverage against the aspirations of working class parties.
I reject the term "Far right" as it's abundantly clear that Nationalistic parties draw their support almost entirely from mainly young, working class men and women, the close run Austrian presidential elections made that crystal clear.
The European elites and their bourgeoisie though cannot withstand simultaneous working class uprisings, a "home grown" Islamic insurgency and another Islamist assault from immigrant jihadists, that too was demonstrated in the first round of the Austrian presidential elections when the major parties were unceremoniously knocked out of the race.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 3:01:58 PM
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The West's need to feel guilty about Syrian refugees began in Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany#Refugee.2C_Asylum_and_illegal_Immigration_crisis

Since then France and Belgium have been shotup and bombed.

Will small "l" liberal Turnbull (or a politicised ASIO) fall asleep at the wheel - with future killing in Australia?

The author incorrectly assumes the West, including Australia, must bring in war damaged Muslims from Syria-Iraq. There should be no assumption that Australia's Counter-Terrorism resources should be stretched this way. ASIO psychologists can't be perpetual social workers.

Unlike France, Britain, and now Merkel's Germany, we should not make it hard for ourselves.

So the author focusses on young Muslims of 15 to 25 yo.

What about about the 10 year olds or the sons born after their Syrian Muslim parents enter Australia in 2018? It often takes years to become radical.

POSSIBLE SCENARIO

2018 the Australian Department of Immigration clears a Syrian Muslim Couple with kids under 10 to enter Australia.

2018-2023 the traumatised parents with traumatised kids will be rebuilding their lives while on welfare in Australia.

2023 the parents begin to work hard at jobs but have to neglect their young sons and daughters.

2026 - The young sons and daughters, still under 15, may seek identity in some safe but radical groups in the Muslim community in western Sydney or north Melbourne

2027 - Especially the boys are socially isolated at school and home but want to do something for Islam. If you're a 12 year old boy your imagination often isn't on giving alms to the poor, but something more exciting, maybe violent, prompted by the radical group around town, self-appointed preacher or online "friends".

Does Australia need to pick up pieces of bodies in 2027 (or sooner) just because the Germans under Merkel in 2015 decided that small "l" liberal countries should feel guilty about something?
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 3:53:40 PM
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@ plantagenet, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 3:53:40 PM

+1 Spot on.
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 4:12:26 PM
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You used the term 'Violent Extremist / Extremism' twice in your description and 14 times in your article.
You never used the term 'Islamic Extremist / Extremism' once.
Is it a conspiracy? Is it because it's not politically correct?
Or are you just scared to say it?

Islamic Extremism.

There, now you don't have to worry.
I said it for you.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 10:28:51 PM
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Most importantly, we need more of this (thanks, Grateful):
http://ia601307.us.archive.org/13/items/RefutingISIS/Refuting%20ISIS.pdf
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 11:27:14 PM
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Pete,
There's also the fact that there's nothing we can get from Muslims that we can't get from some other group with no inclination toward violence.
In truth it's criminality among Muslim migrants and their children which is the pathway to Islamic extremism, the authorities can't deal with one or the other in isolation.
The fact is that a good many migrants regardless of racial or religious background come to the west to carry out activities which would likely get them long prison sentences or capital punishment in their own countries.
Some of the Arab family clans in particular are nothing but a mafia like organisations who've been smugglers and bandits in the Levant for generations with franchises on every continent.

Here's the Danish Hells Angels "Jackal Manifesto", it takes a gangster to know one and the same pattern applies to all ethnic Arab and African Muslim populations.
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1913/the-hells-angels-jackal-manifesto.html
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 9:57:22 AM
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SYSTEMIC VULNERABILITY CONCERNING AUSTRALIAN BORDER PROTECTION

https://intelnews.org/2016/06/03/01-1914/

[Terror suspects travelling to Australia from Malaysia?]

Malaysia immigration probe reveals growing insider threat to passport security JUNE 3, 2016 BY JOSEPH FITSANAKIS

"As many as 100 Malaysian immigration officers are implicated in a widening investigation involving the deliberate sabotage of the country’s electronic passport control system. The investigation, which began over three months ago, focuses on a criminal ring of immigration personnel at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA), one of Southeast Asia’s major travel hubs. Reports http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/05/148791/15-officers-sacked-over-immigration-system-sabotage suggest that 15 members of the alleged ring are in prison awaiting trial. Another 14 immigration officers have been suspended without pay, while 20 more staff members are under investigation by the intelligence subdivision of the Immigration Department of Malysia (IDM). On Wednesday, IDM Director-General Datuk Seri Sakib Kusmi said http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-01/malaysian-immigration-officers-disabled-airport-checks/7465448 that the scope of the investigation had widened, and that 63 immigration officers would be transferred from the IDM’s headquarters in Putrajaya to KLIA, to replace members or suspected members of the criminal ring.

The officers implicated in the investigation are accused of deliberately sabotaging the automated passport control system used at KLIA. Known as myIMMs, the system allows passport control officers to validate the authenticity of international travelers’ passports, and to confirm that the latter have not been reported lost or stolen."

MORE TO FOLLOW
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 3 June 2016 4:39:46 PM
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FROM ABOVE

https://intelnews.org/2016/06/03/01-1914/ :

"It is believed that the myIMMs system was deliberately made to crash at least once a day, in order to allow human traffickers and other organized criminals to smuggle individuals in and out of Malaysia. With the system going offline, KLIA passport control officers were forced to screen passengers manually, which is now believed to have permitted countless individuals using forged and stolen passports to go through security undetected.

The deliberate sabotage of myIMMs is believed to have been going on since 2010, and investigators are at a loss in trying to estimate the numbers of people who have been able to bypass computerized passport checks.

One investigator said [ to http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-01/malaysian-immigration-officers-disabled-airport-checks/7465448 ] Australia’s ABC news network that the criminal ring’s handlers were located overseas and would send immigration officers instructions via coded messages. The primary ring members had recruited IDM administrative staff, technology staff, and even software vendors, who were involved in sabotaging the system. The practice of organized criminal and terrorist groups using forged passports is both long and documented.

But news of a criminal group that is able to set up an extensive ring of immigration officers, who then sabotage an electronic passport verification system at a major international transport hub, is rare and extremely alarming. It reveals a new form of insider threat, namely compromised immigration and passport control officers, who are bribed to facilitate the work of criminal groups and terrorist organizations."

"...extremely alarming..."

ENDS
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 3 June 2016 4:44:10 PM
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