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By Don Batten, published 2/5/2016Materialists have no sufficient explanation (cause) for the diversity of life. There is a mind-boggling plethora of miracles here, not just one. Every basic type of life form is a miracle.
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Posted by grateful, Saturday, 28 May 2016 11:19:16 PM
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Like I said before though, grateful, are the inaccuracies in the Qur'an evidence that it's not the word of a god?
<<On his own admission Richards Dawkins wrote his books without ever having read the Qur’an. Is that the case with you as well?>> Correct, I haven't read the Qur’an and I don't need to either. Do you reject all the other thousands of gods that you don't believe in because you read the scriptures for them all? We don't have to have read scriptures to reject the existence of this god or that god as unsupported by the evidence, because scriptures are not reliable evidence of the gods they discuss. I once explained why this is the case with the Christian god, and the same applies to all versions of the Abrahamic god to varying degrees: "Even if the Gospels and the vague and questionable non-Christian accounts of a person, who may be Jesus, can be believed, what does that say for a God who chooses to convey the most important message to mankind by only revealing it to certain individuals, who then write it down so that thousands of years later we need to rely on copies of copies of translations of copies by anonymous authors with no originals? The God that Christians believe in is incredibly stupid if it wants to actually achieve its goal of spreading its message to humanity by relying on texts, by relying on languages that die off, by relying on anecdotal testimony. That's not a pathway to truth and anything that could qualify as a God would know this - which either means that God doesn’t exist, or he doesn’t care enough about those who understand the nature of evidence to actually present it. There’s no amount of anecdotal, testimonial reports that could be sufficient to justify believing that the events actually happened as reported - no amount - and anything that could qualify as a God would not be relying on ancient texts if he wanted to convey this information to people in a way that was believable." (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=14398#248464) Posted by AJ Philips, Sunday, 29 May 2016 12:05:35 AM
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AJ: "Correct, I haven't read the Qur’an and I don't need to either. "
That's true. Its your choice. Posted by grateful, Sunday, 29 May 2016 12:48:31 AM
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grateful: AJ: "Correct, I haven't read the Qur’an and I don't need to either. "
Well I have. I find it to be the most Racist, Sexist, Misogynist, urges Violence, Scientifically incorrect, Medically incorrect & Political book I have ever read. Definitely not the work of a God of any description. The Original was written by a Racist, Sexist, Misogynist, urges Violence, Scientifically incorrect, Medically incorrect & Political incorrect male & backed up (Hadith) by other Racist, Sexist, Misogynist, urges Violence, Scientifically incorrect, Medically incorrect & Political incorrect males from then on. Definetly not a God inspired book. Posted by Jayb, Sunday, 29 May 2016 8:01:47 AM
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grateful,
Whether or not reading the Qur'an is my choice was not the point I was making, if that's the only meaning you've extracted from what you quoted of me. <<That's true. Its your choice.>> My point was one of necessity, not choice. I don't need to read any holy scriptures to determine that there is no evidence for a god, because anything that could qualify as a god would realise that ancient texts in languages that die out is not a way to reveal oneself to the world if your existence in an issue of importance. Posted by AJ Philips, Sunday, 29 May 2016 8:43:40 AM
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What then is a good way, in your view?
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Sunday, 29 May 2016 5:58:29 PM
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That’s fine. You have hadn’t the time or inclination to examine the evidence in any detail, while there are other scientists (non-Muslim) who have, notably
Maurice Bucaille’s "The Bible, the Qur’an and Science” (free download: https://archive.org/details/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille) and “What is the Origin of Man”
AJ: "Atheism [is] the rejection of religious claims as unsupported by the evidence.” (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18201#323511)
I very skeptical of such claims. On his own admission Richards Dawkins wrote his books without ever having read the Qur’an. Is that the case with you as well?
Anyway, I’ll hunt down your original question relating to free will and the spirit and give it my best shot