Dear Don,
You have wandered into Climate Change, again. I have noticed with your past entries to this land that your logic and understanding is left at the gate, or perhaps there was nothing to leave.

Now, before you climb up to the current levels of worldwide understanding, you should contemplate findings made in the 1800s. The basic science was settled and agreed when Nobel Laureate Arhennius calculated at the end of the 1800s that a doubling of CO2 concentration could increase average temperature by 4C to 5C.

You can verify this in Wikipedia. While there, if not too bamboozled by so much scientific understanding, you could search for earlier climate science findings from Fourier, Herschel, Tyndall. You will find, but probably wont understand, that the phrase "greenhouse gas" was first used in the 1800s, that CO2 was found to absorb Infra Red radiation, and that, if there were no atmospheric CO2, Earth's average temperature would be around -20C.

If you have trouble understanding this 1800s science, I would recommend that you wander over hills counting golden daffodils.

I posted some of the below on a previous post but it is worth restating.

Between 1880 and 2015 the global average temperature has changed from ~288 degrees Kelvin to ~288.8 degrees Kelvin, this represents an increase of just 0.3%. Is this significant? No, it is not even worth worrying about. This science does not lie, but the political 'climate change or global warming' mantra has become like a religion and is therefore sold as undeniable, it's just plain madness.

There is clear evidence of yearly spikes in temperature, i.e, the mean global average temperature was significantly higher than years prior/following, for example 1907/08, 1940/41, 1997/98, 2000/01 and 2015/16 (I am citing from memory, I think there was an additional set but I can't remember which years), the last three set coincidence with significant global coral bleaching so. I would surmise, but don't have any evidence to support coral bleaching in the 1907/08 or 1940/41 times.

The hysteria surrounding the current bleaching events is typical of those attempting to state we are on some sort of runaway climate disaster, we are not and there is no scientific evidence, that I am aware of, which justifies this stance.

There is climate change, and yes it is slowly warming, but you need to look much longer than the timeframe since the inception of the industrial revolution. Over the past few thousand years we have had a predominantly warming climate, with minor cooling periods in between. This is natural climate variability and the sooner people understand this the better.

Cheers
Geoff

Don reminds me of the only soldier in step amongst a hundred of his fellows.

He and those head buriers, who routinely support him ignore the fact that the great solar furnace in the sky ,has been in a waning (cooling) phase since the mid seventies.(NASA)

Even if this is something other than man made warming; and anyone but the seriously intellectually challenged, confronted by evidence like the melting tundra; the absence for the first time in living memory of summer sea ice of the coast of alaska, brand new melt water lakes in the aforementioned, all showing evidence of melting formerly frozen methane bubbling to the surface. Would have to conclude real climate change is happening!

And just not down to the great Solar furnace in the sky!

And how could we be hurt by adopting carbon free or carbon neutral energy alternatives that are half or quarter of what we are being asked to shell out now? Well? Cat got your tongue?

Simply put, a transition to vastly cheaper alternative energy would have quite massive economic upsides!

[Which oil advocates like Don self evidently don't want and for the most fundamental of self serving reasons?]

Imagine trolley buses/trains powered by magnetic interfaces via underground mats silently and smoothly move commuters, without any exhaust fumes of any kind polluting our atmosphere. A disastrous outcome for the 4 trillion dollar P.A. fossil fuel industry!

I can park the telsa in the garage or carpark and the solar cells and battery wall powered magnetic mat will charge the batteries while I sleep, without so much as a single shilling being transferred to a fossil fuel mogul. Ditto most of the car owning public and in the next fifteen or so years?

And Don's real lament and the very transparent reason for his fossil fuel funded fatuous furore/broken record rhetoric?
Rhrosty.

Raychem and Phillip S

At the end of my earlier comment I made the statement:

We need to do something about climate change, especially in low lying areas prone to flooding or storm surges. Whether man created or otherwise, it is happening.
We go around in circles in relation to discussion of climate change, it is happening.

Phillip S, while the Eastern States of the US were having record levels of snow, it was the complete opposite situation for the Western States.

Whether climate happens through natural variation or through human activity, there are issues of:
availability of water resources
flooding
temperatures reaching such heights that they are deadly for vulnerable people
Agriculture
placement of infra-structure

'Consensus' means agreement and has nothing to do with science. This much-touted 97% is not made up of scientists at all; it is made up of non-scientific urgers, rent-seekers and liars in the IPCC, and the re-newable energy myth-makers' group who are ripping off stupid governments and tax payers.

ttbn

Let's just let climate change; whether man created, partly man created, or caused through normal long cycles; rip. We can watch more lives lost and billions of dollars worth of infra-structure and property go down the drain.