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Pilger is indeed pilgerizing.
Made me laugh that did.

If pilgeri stubbed his toe on a rock, he would probably think it was Americas
Fault.

I think the days of the Cold War are over.
Putin is an entirely different leader to some of the previous Russian leaders.

America and the West would do well to make him an Allie, instead of antagonising him.
We are going to need all the help we can get in this war with extremist Muslims.

Putin understands this, he has the problem right on the border of his country, plus
Within, in Chechnya.

I am sure if Amercia took a more conciliatory line of communication with him
It would double the strength in the fight against Isis and extremist groups.

After all when Russia invaded Afghanistan in the 1970s. Osama bin laden, said
"We wills defeat these Westeners." The reporter who was there when he said it,was surprised
that he would refer to the Russians as Westerners.

But Osama could clearly see that the Russians were European.
Something America could never see, after all the years of the Cold War.
They would do well to heed Osamas assessment.
Europe needs all the help it can get in today's hostile world.

Putin would be aware that Russia being European, is also threatened if Europe falls.
This will make him inclined to fight with Europe if it becomes a total threat to
European existence.

Hi Cherful,

Russia may not see itself as a strictly European power, more Eurasian: e.g.,
ttps://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marlene_Laruelle/publication/233247863_The_two_faces_of_contemporary_Eurasianism_an_imperial_version_of_Russian_nationalism/links/540224b60cf2c48563af8712.pdf

There is a huge amount written by historians like Spengler and Toynbee and Braudel and Huntington about the history and nature of Orthodox and/or Magian Russia and its fundamentally different history from Europe's - and that it may have much more historically and politically - even ethnically - in common with Turkey and Persia than with Europe.

Just because an outsider like Osama bin laden perceives Russia as part of the West doesn't necessarily mean that it is: from faulty memory, both in Greek and in Thai, all Europeans are 'Franks' or 'Ferengi', and maybe in Arabic too. We all tend to have an over-global view of the 'Other' - 'all South Americans', for example, or 'all Africans' or 'all Balkan countries', when the people there most certainly don't see themselves in that homogenised way.

Russia is striving to be a Eurasian power, straddling Europe and Asia, and not being either, but superior to both. Putin thus has the backing of the Orthodox Church, and of extreme-right-wing groups and demagogues like Zhirinovsky and the Cossacks.

Eurasianism is a real ideology, a belief that Russia has the destiny and the right to recover all of the old Tsarist Empire, and rule from the Carpathians to the Hindu Kush to the Altai and the Pacific, and from the border with Norway (including Finland) to south of the Caucasus (perhaps even Iraq) and to the Bering Strait. Imperialism never seems to wholly die.

And to that aspiration, Bilger gives his allegiance.

Joe

Loudmouth is aptly named. Empty vessels come to mind. Pilger is 100% correct.

The real rulers of this planet are the central bankers who create our debt from nothing.

In 2012 Putin took control of his own central bank and nationalised much of his energy controlled by our Western Oligarchs. Putin stopped the takeover of Syria and the invasion of Crimea. He still has a 70% approval rating in his own country.

Even Malcolm Fraser said on many occasions the West were trying to surround and enslave China. China you see has many Govt Banks and is not a total slave to the Bank of International Settlements owned by the Rothschilds. We were told to sell off our Govt Banks. This is the group who own the USA via the private US Federal Reserve. In 2000 these were the countries without a Rothschild Central Bank. Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya ,Cuba, North Korea and Iran. Is there any co-incidence that the wars are nearly all in these countries? Now only Cuba, North Korea and Iran are free.

Gaddafi was working on a gold backed Dinar for Africa which would free Africa from US $ hegemony. Yes Hillary delighted in his torture and murder.

The immigrant invasion of Europe by war refugees was planned. Divide and conquer. The central bankers want 2 classes. Their elite and us the serfs whom they will control at their whim. See Georgia Guide Stones. They have set in stone that the world's population must be under 500,000 or reduced by 90%. http://www.rense.com/general16/georgiaguidestones.htm

Unless we all wake up soon, it will be WW3, destruction and total slavery if you are lucky enough to survive.

Hi Arjay,

That's the idea.

This, from another thread:

So China is now threatening Malaysia:

http://www.news.com.au/world/beijings-fishing-fleet-asserts-claim-to-contested-south-china-sea/news-story/4ed6b3c0a5a1112370931ac684d6cc18

"About 100 Chinese-registered boats have been detected encroaching in Malaysia’s waters in the disputed South China Sea, Malaysia’s state news agency has reported.

"The reported encroachment on Thursday is the latest action by Chinese vessels to raise concern in Southeast Asia, where four countries object to China’s claim to virtually the whole of the South China Sea.

"Malaysia’s national security minister Shahidan Kassim said assets from the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency and the navy have been sent to the area near the Luconia Shoals to monitor the situation ..... "

The Luconia Shoals are 100-200km off the N-E coast of Sarawak, Eastern Malaysia. The Chinese claim them as part of their territory, 2000 km from China. I wonder how John Bilger would explain this away: how might this somehow be the fault of the US ?

It must be difficult to be a lickspittle these days. Keep trying, Arjay :)

Joe

Loudmouth,Fukushima has destroyed the fishing grounds around China and Japan and even all the way to the West Coast of the USA. USA General Electric built these reactors and gave no assistance to Japan to help contain radiation.You bet China is irate.They are not going to let their people starve unlike our Govts. We have closed down all our refineries and only have 3 weeks of fuel in reserve. What happens if our fuel does not come from Singapore in time? No fuel = no food.

So where is the logic in which we sell our real estate ,farms and major ports to China and threaten war in conjunction with the USA ?

The USA controlled by central bankers has 900 military bases around the planet. They spend 10 times more on weapons than Russia alone. Their economy is collapsing and need war to subdue their masses. The US economy is based on selling debt,weapons,destroying countries, stealing resources and paying their contractors to rebuild.

Could it be Loudmouth that the elites of all our countries see us as the enemy and want 90% of us gone ? With robotics, human labour and intelligence will be needed far less. The environmental movement have painted humans as a blight on the planet.

Time to wake up Loudmouth to all the possibilities. The Central Bankers can create all the money they need for think tanks to consider every possibility.