Ant
"Where are the experiments to show there is no reaction between IR and CO2. As stated elsewhere CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas."
As I stated above "Horizontal radiation from CO2 can go in all four compass directions thus bypassing convection and reducing extreme weather." There is a CO2 re radiation of IR it goes up or out horizontaly
So I can now fire your question slightly adjusted back at you.
Where are the experiments to show there is no reaction between visible and Nitrogen? As stated elsewhere CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/atspect.html

Siliggy

CO2 reaction to IR has been shown in experiments. Methane is also a gas which has an impact on climate; it is voided from areas where permafrost is thawing, where open cut coal mining is happening, from open rubbish dumps, from fracking, and from livestock. Earlier in the year Los Angeles had a horrendous time when stored methane escaped causing people to be evacuated for weeks from their homes.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/11/socalgas-fixes-natural-gas-methane-leak-los-angeles-porter-ranch

There are numerous references in relation to the methane leakage in Los Angeles.

The Condamine River in Queensland can produce fire when a burning match is held above water igniting methane gas escaping. Origin Energy has been fracking in the vicinity of the River.

Methane is a serious greenhouse gas which in pre Industrial times had measured at around 780 ppb, now it is more like 1800 ppb with spikes over 3,000 ppb earlier this year.

Other greenhouse gases are water vapour, nitrous oxide and ozone.

mhaze

Did you register with AAAS to access the paper I had referred to which showed you were wrong. You accused me of creating quotations at the time. AAAS allows papers to be accessed which had been published after two years had elapsed, current science papers are hidden by a pay wall.

The Conversation has several articles about the measure of temperature from weather stations, and satellite suggested temperature. Deniers have preferred satellite inferred temperature; yet, to create temperature from satellites requires more computation than that required for weather stations.

The argument about temperature is somewhat semantic; nature shows how temperatures have been increasing; Greenland through the break down of glaciers and ice sheets being a prime example.

They talk about "fine day floods" in Miami, check out why. There are many references about sea level rise impacting on the SE coast of USA. King tides flood Miami regularly, water travels up storm water pipes and permeates up through the porous limestone strata even when there has been no flooding from high rainfall. Suburban Streets are flooded when this occurs.

ant,

Deniers of what?

For example I agree human activity is changing climate but I do not agree CO2 is the cause. I think a majority of people have a similar view. Are we 'deniers' in general?
And remembering oceans cover 72 percent of out planet, how do weather stations measure sea surface temperature globally?

Increase in algae in northern Atlantic Ocean waters and in waters off Greenland, coincides with increase in melting of ice in Greenland.
Temperature of seabreeze is linked to temperature of ocean surface waters.
Warmer wind would be causing increase in melting of Greenland ice.

Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean waters are inundated with algae. The worlds biggest dead zone is located there.

A basic home experiment can show water with algae retains warmth longer that water without algae.

Warm water rises higher than cooler water and that's why sea level rise in coastal waters at Miami is not the same as say Sydney, globally.

Ant, since you have somewhat long term insight to my view and evidence on OLO about warmth in algae, have you yet been able to find any evidence to the contrary?
I guess you will duck that question. A denier of reality comes to mind.

JFAus

You raise many interesting issues, issues that I didn't even know about, certainly haven't thought about.

I was unaware, for example, that there had been "an increase in algae in northern Atlantic Ocean waters and in waters off Greenland," and that this "coincides with the increase in melting of ice in Greenland."

Presumably there is data to support this... including salinity levels, N levels, and chlorophyll levels for waters off the coast of Greenland? I would be interested to see the charts, and the seasonal, as well as annual, trends?

I was interested in your Bhat and Matondkur reference suggesting an increase in toxic algal blooms off the Indian coast.
But this paper was largely descriptive. It didn't actually provide any real data to support the claim?

You make a good point stating that without an adequate supply of nutrients, an El Nino will not cause an algal bloom.

Thanks for sharing some of what you know on this topic.

Regarding the issue of ocean currents, and algal blooms, where is the best data on current direction, and changes in the direction and strength of the same... particularly for the equatorial Pacific?

I would be particularly interested in seeing this data.

Cheers, Jennifer

JF Aus

You have raised the matter of algae blooms constantly.
You place the cart before the horse.

An experiment with algae:

http://www.ecoliteracy.org/sites/default/files/uploads/CEL_Lesson_Algae_Boom_Bust.pdf

Quote:

"The term algae bloom refers to a rapid rise of the algae population in a body of water. Algae blooms are usually caused by moderate increases in water temperature and excess nutrients—primarily phosphorus and nitrogen from crop fertilizers, animal wastes, or sewage facilities. As such, they are unintended consequences of some of the methods we use for growing food or processing waste."

JF Aus you write:

"Warmer wind would be causing increase in melting of Greenland ice."

Where is the relationship with algae in your statement?

In relation to sea level rise, it has a counter intuitive impact; there are areas where sea level is lower and others where it is higher. Overall, sea level rise is around 3.41 mm per year, a huge volume of water.

You asked about how temperature of Oceans can be measured; there have been two studies fairly recently published. One used data from satellites, the other compared data from a British research vessel Challenger which measured temperature in the late nineteenth century and compared data with contemporary measures of Ocean temperature.

JK Aus, were the huge grass fires in Kentucky and Oklahoma; that are extremely early, caused by algae blooms? If so, where is your evidence? The fires occurred earlier this week and created a record fire front?
Temperature was said to be 25F degrees above average for the time of year.

You say... "A denier of reality comes to mind."
Yet, you have not presented a case, you provide an opinion, without any proof.