Now thanks to the Internet, many more people everywhere can now check news and views other than that peddled by the strongly US neocon and Zionist influenced mainstream media. The US and UK in Iraq especially have been repeatedly caught out supplying resources to ISIS and other terrorist groups. They want to keep hostilities going with the longer term aim of creating small fragmented and weak states run by puppets and stooges who will allow their banksters, corporations and military industrial complex a free hand. The Iraqis are now a wakeup to this and trying to get the Yanks out. If / when successful, there are unlikely to be major ongoing conflicts.

Hi Mox,

I suppose if you repeat lies often enough, someone once said, people will start to believe them.

Evidence of the US supplying 'resources' to ISIS ?

That the media is Zionist-influenced any more than Baptist-influenced or orthodox -influenced, or atheist-influenced for that matter ?

Evidence that the US etc. "... want to keep hostilities going" ?

That's one of the joys of hyperbole, isn't it, Mox - you don't need evidence, only righteous passion ? And whatever lie might work, try it, ay ?

Joe

Exactly and hear, hear loudmouth.

I don't see how this is the US's problem. And something that has been going on for centuries. And given the deep almost genetic enmity and entrenched hostility, not doable by any outside entity. And a mox on both your houses.

At some point folks caught up in this endless tit for tat bloodletting, are going to have to bite the bullet and decide their own fate.

They need a Gandhi and or a Nelson Mandela with a truth and reconciliation vehicle.

With that achieved if ever?

They need a wealth sharing federation that will give them the greatest possible autonomy, without actually destroying their homeland?

I would just leave them to duke it out until all the fighters have had a bellyful bloodshed.

Getting involved just allows the blame shifters to shift the blame, inflame an already inflamed situation and delay any possible peace deal!?

Suppressing the price of oil via continued overproduction and the subsequent shrinkage of war chest funding for war might help?
Rhrosty.

Sunni - Shia - Protestant - Catholic - all fighting and killing each other in the name of their respective non-existent deities.

An Iraqi Sunni state is not the answer. But a non-sectarian multi-cultural government of national unity is. A stable and multicultural Iraq with a non-sectarian government of national unity would definitely add to stability in the region.

Hi Tristan,

In the best of all possible worlds, you might be right. But looking at the fragmentation of eastern Europe once the boot was off their necks in 1989, given half a chance groups fragment, and it will be the same in Iraq.

After all, long before the all-powerful, all-knowing and all-evil West dropped in on those puppets back around 1920 - and still, today - Sunni Arabs were and still are made up of a multitude of warring tribes. That's what 'tribes' mean - constant bickering, feuding, fighting, stealing each others' wives and daughters, slaughtering each others goats. In fact, getting enough of them to agree to just a single Sunni state might be futile, although it's worth a shot.

It's a pity that the West wasn't strong or determined enough to stay in the Middle East - Syria was under the French for barely twenty five years, after all, and look how that's turning out. It's a pity they weren't interested enough in imperialism.

Says an ex-Marxist.

Joe

A propos of the fragmentary nature of tribal societies, particularly in relation to Muslim entities, this history is fascinating:

http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/a-brief-history-of-balochistan/

Balochis are closely related to Kurds ? Who would have known ? But we forget that, before the Arab invasions, i.e. the invasions by the religion of peace - yeah, those ones - all of Mesopotamia, and well into Iran, was populated by Kurds, who would have been scattered all over the place by the peaceful invasions. Khachaturian's ballet, Gayaneh, set in Armenia, is actually set in a Kurdish village in Armenia. Salah-ud-Din - Saladin - was a Kurd, born in Tikrit, by the way. Arab occupation and displacement of earlier populations is relatively recent.

Joe

There was also the slaughter of Christians
In Aleppo and Damascus by the Muslims of the Ottoman Empire
Back in the 1800's

It makes me wonder how much of this war with The allawarte tribe around Assad (in
And around Damascus and Aleppo)
And the so called moderate Sunni Muslim rebels, goes back to that era.

In regard to the Us supporting the Sunni Muslims,well
In Syria they are on side with the moderate Sunni Muslims.

Putin however probably identifies any Muslim as being related to the Ottoman Empire
Who almost wiped out the Europeans in Europe at one stage.

Syria and Iraq are two more unstable multicultural states which are coming apart at the seams. The solution is to create stable monocultural states where one defining culture is pre eminent.

it just amazes me that the people who support multiculturalism in Australia can not see this self evident fact. How many times does multiculturalism need to fail before they can flash on this simple concept? When something is obviously failing, why do they want to emulate it?

Kurds want to be ruled by Kurds, Sunnis want to be ruled by Sunnis, and Shiites want to be ruled by Shiites. Stick them all in Australia and nothing will change. They will accept minority status and the suppression of their own culture for only as long as they are in a minority. But when they become a majority, even within a localised area, they will demand autonomy.

A hundred years from now, Australia, the worlds only united continent, will begin to fragment into separate countries. This process has already begun with aboriginal only areas with their separate "aboriginal" flag. The importation of unassimilatable immigrant groups was the most stupid idea ever dreamed up by the elites.

As in Iraq the Sunni and Shiite populations are so intermixed separate states are not an option.

The solution is one government with strong, separately funded local government to enable self determination.

In all Middle Eastern countries, and many others besides, there is a multitude of differe3nt ethnic groups - Iran has a few hundred. It's not a simple matter of Sunni & Shia, with Kurds thrown in. There are Assyrians, Chaldeans, Turkmens, Yazidis, Jews, Armenians, Turks, Turcomans, Azeris, etc. etc. in Iraq. That' how it is. They have co-existed, perhaps uneasily, for millennia..

Joe

Dear LEGO,

<<A hundred years from now, Australia, the worlds only united continent, will begin to fragment into separate countries.>>

I say Amen to this.

It is obscene and corrupting for any regime to rule over such a huge area.
Once there are many smaller countries, they will compete for good people to join them and the first thing they will do to attract people will be to repeal draconic laws against individuals.

Perhaps it will be too late for me personally, but in a hundred years, at least some of those smaller countries will allow their citizens to ride a bicycle without having to wear a pot over their heads.

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Yuyutsu

Dividing up of countries doesn't happen without bloodshed.

That's why we have all these millions of displaced and hundreds
Of thousands dead in Syria.

Better to live together in peace without the tribal racism of
Separation.
Why not mix the blood in peaceful encouragement of intermarriage
Then mix the blood in the violent rapes in war presently being
Carried out by Isis to bring the territory and bloodline under their control

You have a choice, war or peace? Which will you decide On for your
Children and grandchildren, peace or death in bloody separatist conflict.

All sides will want the best territorial areas, the ones that have water
And rich land and resources. It won't just be a simple matter of drawing a border.

Dear Cherful,

Czechoslovakia was separated peacefully.
Scotland had a referendum and it was a close call from separating peacefully from England.
The break-up of Yugoslavia was not peaceful, but at the final stage, Serbia and Montenegro separated peacefully.

This is the model we should be looking at.

East Timor finally got its independence from Indonesia: it didn't go smoothly, but at least now they are no longer being tortured.
The Kurds are gaining independence in Iraq - there are difficulties, but their region is the safest and sanest in the region. Should they instead be told how to live by Ayatollahs?

Nobody should have to live under the rule of people with conflicting values.