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Asylum seekers, Waleed Aly and the folly of good intentions : Comments

By John Slater, published 12/2/2016

The grand folly of this approach is that while it’s easy to paint offshore processing as callous and cold-hearted, we can’t pretend that this issue exists in a vacuum.

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Looking up the internet we find Waleed Aly is an Australian.
What was an Australian yesterday is not what an Australian is today.
Waleed Aly is a follower of sunni or Wahabbism the same as Bin laden.
As such he can obtain free trips to the Middle East and just as Bin Laden entitled to a Saudi Passport.
So where is his loyalty.Australia or Saudi Arabia.
It seems that his support for Muslims is paramount in his agenda.
Just as so many British born second generation Muslims with a British passport support ISIL, so Waleed in his heart has to support the Wahabbism extremists around the world.
The sad situation is that Waleed is a split personality.
As much as he convinces himself of his Australian values.His heart is in the deserts of Arabia.
Posted by BROCK, Saturday, 13 February 2016 12:10:26 PM
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G'day Joe,
Even though you prefer option F to all the others, I hope you agree that option B is preferable to option A because option A is likely to result in many people drowning while trying to get here, while the other options will not.

Surely anyone who supports any of your other options would want them to be considered by any government?

I'm well aware of the point you're trying to make, but I think you may have missed the point I was making in response: you don't draw a permanent line, but that doesn't mean there should be no restrictions on immigration. I'd prefer to base the policy on the contribution people could make to our nation rather than whether they come by boat or plane.

One option I consider worthy of further investigation is to set up a Special Economic Zone somewhere in the NT, operating under Australian law but without the usual restrictions on immigration and wages. Where to locate it would depend on whether the local Aboriginal communities would support it, but I think the Cox Peninsula should be the first location to consider.

BTW those who come here themselves, even in leaky boats, are not the ones preventing us taking any more refugees from the "queue" - that's a political decision that they don't make. And I don't think it's desirable to make people queue for fifty years in order to get into Australia.

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BROCK,

Sunniism and Wahabbism are not the same thing. The latter is a small subset of the former, and while I'm not an expert on Waleed's views, he doesn't appear to subscribe to it. Neither entitle anyone to free trips to the Middle East. Saudi citizens are entitled to Saudi passports, but Waleed's not a Saudi citizen. AIUI his parents were Egyptian not Saudi.

If you have any genuine evidence that Waleed Ali (contrary to what he's said) supports terrorism or extremism then by all means post it. But don't assign views to him based on a dodgy categorisation.
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 13 February 2016 1:58:17 PM
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Ahmad, Waleed Aly's older brother describes
Waleed as :

"He's become a very important voice because
he is very balanced, clear, and intellectually
honest. He's not one to seek attention, that's
probably why he's good at it."

It's funny, but I don't think of him as a muslim
first and foremost - mainly as an Aussie who
makes sense when he opens his mouth. He knows what
he's talking about - and he gives us a diferent
picture of muslims from the one being presented
in the media.

I admire what he has achieved in his life.
And I respect his balanced point of view.
I've spoken to some of his students at Monash
University in the past. They respect him as a lecturer.
You may not agree with everything he says - but
you've got to respect his knowledge and the way he
says it.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 13 February 2016 5:35:48 PM
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A great article.
Senate Committee figures last week by agency staff. Self harm figures since Dutton stopped all family members accompanying a child for medical treatment. Child will now be accompanied by 1 or 2 adults only. Perverse outcomes occurred when entire family accompanied child in the past. Stats - September 3, October 7, November 2, December zero.

Senate Committee – there are approx. 67 children remaining in detention. There are reasons why children aren’t or can’t be released. 1. Parent/s not permitting child to be released as they want child/children to remain with them. 2. Mum or dad (or both) remain in detention for adverse security reasons, it could be identity issues, known for extreme behaviour, or violence, or other reasons. Parents also state they want child/children to remain with them. One can’t force a child to leave a parent.

Senate Committee – Operation Sovereign Borders
Q. How many turn backs since October 15? A. 2
Q. How many people on board? A. 1st - November, 17. 2nd boat, 3. No others since.
Q. Where did boats originate from? A. Both from Indonesia.
Q. Media reports state a boat left India with 6 Sri-Lankans on board what happened to this boat? A. The boat was stopped by Indian Government.
(End of Senate Committee Reports).

Media and Advocates continually rave on how traumatised people must be on Narau. The Australian 24/10/2015 – “Nauru’s President has raised the likelihood that refugees could be permanently settled on the island, in a clear sign of the deepening relations between asylum-seekers and their hosts.

At least one Nauruan woman has given birth to a child fathered by her refugee partner, President Baron Waqa says if marriages occur permanent settlement will become an option.
...cont'd
Posted by SAINTS, Sunday, 14 February 2016 9:40:46 AM
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cont'd
Mr Adeang, who oversees the refugee program in Nauru, says tensions on the island are linked to refugees failing to accept that Australia is no longer a settlement option. “Once that sinks in then they have to appreciate that it’s either Nauru or Cambodia at this time,” he said.

A further media report shows children from Nauru swimming with the locals – what’s wrong with the fact that children are swimming, playing and making friends with the locals, I believe this is perfect "therapy" in overcoming any trauma.

Maybe now is the time for those "hand wringers" and media to settle down and let the Government get on with their job in protecting our Sovereign Borders. The people smugglers/traffickers are criminals who are only interested in "show me the money".
Posted by SAINTS, Sunday, 14 February 2016 9:50:50 AM
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It is all too difficult. There are times when governments have to make
decisions that are unpleasant but the alternative is worse.
We had experience of the alternative so why would anyone press for a
return to that disastrous policy.

There is an economic storm on the way which will generate a great
increase in the number of economic refugees. The situation will be
extreme in many countries and even Australia will be unable to provide
any sustenance for any that turn up on our doorstep.
This next surge of immigration will have people from a wider range of
countries than we have previously seen.
The collapse of international transport of food could see a large
movement out of China, India and Pakistan.
I doubt if Indonesia would be food selfsufficient.

There is a different opinion that the economic collapse will have the
opposite effect as it will make any large migration movement impossible.
Large intrusions on foot would be resisted by a population that was
having a hard time in feeding itself from its own resources.
Many could be expected to undertake cross ocean voyages but it be
a very dangerous exercise.

Some say this year will give a pointer to just how fragile our
economies are and how soon we can see trouble ahead.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 14 February 2016 10:02:15 AM
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