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The truth about Israel's national security : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 11/2/2016

The Netanyahu government's linking of national security to the so-called 'defensive borders' is disingenuous and misleading,

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"It is the occupation and the continuing expansion of the settlements that are behind these violent outbursts, and as long as the occupation persists, Israel will not know a day of rest."

When is the rest of the world going to wake up to this fact?

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Thursday, 11 February 2016 9:25:59 AM
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Until the so-called "Palestinians" and Arabs universally agree that Israel has a right to exist (something this author deliberately evades mentioning) there is no basis for even the first of his many and improbable steps.
He is simply denying the reality of the present situation.
Posted by Captain Col, Thursday, 11 February 2016 2:38:41 PM
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The only reason why Israel exists is because the Jewish terrorists blackmailed the British into it. That is hardly a good reason, so why do you think the Arabs are going to accept it. Incidentally, why do you think it has a right to exist.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Thursday, 11 February 2016 2:55:09 PM
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VK3AUU, by what right does so-called "Palestine" exist. It was never a state.
Anyway, your response seems to say Israel has no right to exist. In which case, its right to exist is by right of conquest ie it has defended its territory (which as you know was approved by the UN - not conquest) and succeeded in keeping it against continuous aggression. So if the Palestinians want peace, I suggest they conquer Israel and take over. Let's see how that goes ... oh wait ..
More seriously, you have commented on an article which proposes a way for a peaceful settlement of this intractable issue. The article suggests there is a way that the two states can co-exist. Any co-existence must be based on mutual acceptance that the other state's borders are agreed ie the right to exist.
Your stupid response seems to be that Israel has no right, so why would you want peaceful co-existence of two states?
Posted by Captain Col, Thursday, 11 February 2016 3:09:33 PM
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The author appears to over-estimate the importance the wider world attaches to Israel-Palestinian reconciliation. ISIS eradication is the main game.

"The newly-established Palestinian state should be demilitarized, with its security assured by the US."

I don't think so.

I don't think the US would make itself the middle man in the conflict.

How about Israel also demilitarising?

"An International Peacekeeping Force". What with car-suicide bombs, stabbings, random rocket strikes and Israeli revenge airstrikes, there is no peace to keep.

The US and Europe want to stay right out of the Middle East and out of Peacekeeping.

Netanyahu needs to repent and stop expansion of settlements, even withdraw the settlements.
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 11 February 2016 11:00:54 PM
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There has never in history when the Arabs have not been killing or persecuting Jews. If the Palestinians stopped then they would have the right to expect Israel to stop. Until then Israel has a right to defend itself.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 12 February 2016 12:15:35 PM
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HI SM,

"There has never in history when the Arabs have not been killing or persecuting Jews."

Well, apart from the years before 622 AD, when Muhammad (assuming he actually existed) was supposed to be in Mecca, with few armed forces, co-operating with Jewish and Christian tribes. After his purported flight to Medina, he turned on them.

His soldiers captured one Jewish oasis with its leader, who they thought knew where treasure had been buried, so they tortured him but he wouldn't say where (because there probably wasn't any); so Muhammad ordered a fire to be built on his chest until he talked. He didn't.

Obama slightly mistranslated the word 'Islam' as having come from the word 'Salaam' - peace. Partly right: 'peace through total surrender, submission, subservience, slavery or conversion'.

Ah, so that's what people mean when they talk of a 'religion of peace': total submission, THEN peace.

Is there any part of the Muslim empire which was gained other than through invasion ? Syria ? Mesopotamia ? Persia ? Egypt ? North Africa ? Spain ? Up to central France in the west, and up to the gates of Vienna a thousand years later in the east ?

So what does anybody expect others to do ? Submit ? 'Live in peace' afterwards ? No, I guess if you live by the sword, you can expect to die by the sword.

And as long as Hamas etc. promote the slogan "To the Sea !" and Abbas can talk about the cleansing blood of those individual murders, AND talk about pushing Israelis into the sea as well, if that's the rule, then nobody should be surprised if the Israelis take it up as well.

Is it illegitimate to take other people's land ? Yes ? Then don't start it.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 14 February 2016 8:58:12 AM
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The answer is a One State Binational Solution based on two Republics in a federation - 'Israel/Palestine'. Where there is equal citizenship in every respect except representation in the Armed Forces. And where citizens can move between both republics ; and where Arabs, Jews and others are free to exchange land voluntarily. With anti-discrimination legislation applying in every other field. And with a truth and reconciliation process in good faith ; involving slow (hence demographically and economically sustainable) repatriation of Palestinian refugees, and generous compensation provided by both Israel and its allies. And further compensation for any refugees who voluntarily forego their citizenship in the new federation in return for a second round of compensation. (though that can only work with full and equal citizenship in countries like Lebanon) Also involving strong consultative processes where there are minorities - getting around the problem of 'formal democracy' - but effective exclusion of minorities.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Monday, 15 February 2016 10:33:26 AM
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nb: the voluntary loss of citizenship would only apply because of the practical problem that good will has not been achieved yet ; and hence 'slow repatriation' would exclude many of the over 4 million Palestinian refugees and their descendants. That would ensure that those excluded in that way would get recognition and compensation.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Monday, 15 February 2016 10:35:43 AM
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