Surely one has to pursue the truth, no matter what ? And certainly when so many women have been assaulted and violated ?

What the hell's the matter with us that we're too gutless to can't stand up for the truth any more ?

IF some bunch of yobs on a train assaulted a group of Muslim women, wouldn't we stand up for those women ?

More difficult for many people to make a judgement on, I'm sure, is the hypothetical scenario of Muslim men assaulting Muslim women on a train - would we say, 'Well, it's their culture (and all cultures are equal) so we shouldn't interfere', or would we say 'Piss off, you mongrel bastards, leave them alone.' ?

Oh, such moral dilemmas for the thoughtful classes, our rightful moral beacons. Gutless wonders.

Joe

Joe, you of all people should know that truth is always an inconvenience when it comes to the moral posturing of socialists.
Look at the attempt to rewrite indigenous history. Any facts that don't fit the narrative are blithely ignored and any attempt to point out facts or data simply results being labelled racist.
What is happening in Europe is simply a reflection of a culture that is incompatible with western values but hey, let's not allow truth to confuse the issues.

I don't know how many times I need to repeat it, but we must have better border controls! And by border controls, I mean space age lie detector technology that can be deployed covertly.

The men who engaged in the reported heinous activity in Cologne, come from a culture where these things are not only permissible but encouraged?

And unfortunately haven't been able to leave it behind and adapt to a new culture where such activity is completely verboten!

Perhaps, given our beliefs, we still need to provide sanctuary for these animals, but not the freedom of our city streets!

If they disapprove of our freedoms, culturally acceptable bikinis etc, well how about we provide a free one way trip to a place where they and their stone age customs/belief system are still acceptable?

Even so, until we actually and truly know via an "assisted" in depth interview, what the "REAL" attitudes and beliefs of each of these folk are, they should remain behind razor wire. And in some notable cases, that "interview" and subsequent internment could be made retrospective? Until they can be safely repatriated.

I'm sorry to have to say this, but space age lie detector equipment and racial profiling would enable a roundup of the perps and their secret admirers.

In medieval culture, some believe if thy hand offends thee, cut it off.

For mine and here, that's a complete frontal lobotomy, plus castration that turns these monsters into seville robots and still able to do the most menial jobs.

We could follow that where necessary, with radical shock therapy to burn out all the memories along with the culturally acceptable brainwashing (learned at their mother's knee as little children) that made them monsters.

Monsters are made, not born that way!

There's simply no way to share our space and culture/freedoms with folk with such an extreme culture/ideology! If they can't completely denounce it and leave it behind? Send them back to it!

Perhaps there's room in economy, for the hidebound feminazis who advocated our current too tolerant by half, attitudes and responses?
Rhrosty.

Secularism, Feminism and Islam are very closely aligned hence the reluctance to criticise barbaric acts. They are all death cults that have a hatred of truth which came through Christ. In the case of Islamic rapist/molesters feminist are dumb enough to ask how this could happen.

Yes indeed, it is the dreaded feminists fault that all these disgusting men sexually assaulted and robbed all those women in Cologne because it is they who allowed the dreaded Muslims into Europe. In fact, it is they who encourage racism.

Not only that, it is the dreaded feminists fault that the media apparently didn't report on the crimes in a timely manner. Apparently, these feminists, who appear to rule all governments, and the world really, don't care at all about all these poor women who were victims of assault because they were perpetrated by Muslim dark-skinned men rather than their hated white men.

Was that a pig I just saw flying by the window?

"It is now confirmed that these men were 'almost exclusively' of Middle-Eastern and North-African descent and included asylum seekers"

Damn, those Germans need to learn from multicultural Oz under the Labor's International Socialist administrations of Rudd, Galah'd and her treacherous Greens sidekicks, "Quick, grant them all citizenship tout suite and that way all of the offenders are reported as 'German men' and 'home grown rapists'". Good for the feminists and good for the leftists, so go for it Angela! (sic)

Whoops, the cat is already out of the bag.

I suppose we should be grateful feminists noticed at all. I've been turned off from the political left since Rotherham, which, to me, seems an even worse example of where unchecked political correctness leads. It is very noticeable that Rotherham didn't get a mention at all in this article.

Suse,

I suppose we should be grateful that at least somebody who purports to be an ex-feminist is willing to make any sort of comment about their sisters being assaulted in Germany and elsewhere in Europe. Otherwise it would be mainly blokes who are angry about it and want more done to defend women from sexism, wouldn't it ? Strange: that men make the best feminists.

".... these feminists .... don't care at all about all these poor women who were victims of assault because they were perpetrated by Muslim dark-skinned men rather than their hated white men."

Well, is that so ? Would you turn a blind eye to rapes and fingerings by 'Muslim dark-skinned men' but - quite rightly - not to rapes and fingerings done by white men ? Yes, crude, but how crude does one have to get before ex-feminists stand up for their sisters ?

Suse, it's wrong. It's wrong, whoever the hell does it. It's a vile thing to do. Have the courage and the willingness to stand up for your sisters (is that only our jobs, us blokes?) and say so. Say, "It's wrong."

No ? Well, let's have a minute's silence for genuine feminism.

Richard Dawkins used the word 'pusillanimous' to describe the gutlessness of the remnants of the former feminist movement over these incidents. I've tended to associated that word with women's activities in the fifties, 'women who just wanted to be women', remember ? Women's Weekly women of the Menzies era ? So now, the ex-feminists have got what they want, they can now join their Menzies-era sisters ?

No, five minutes' silence, for something that may never come again.

Joe

" Secularism, Feminism and Islam are very closely aligned"
Runner I general laugh at your silly comments but that one would have to be the funniest for some time. Islam is closely aligned with the two other Abrahamic religions.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Hi Cobber,

Yes, we should condemn philosophies that are primitive, thousands of years old, that penalise women, when we should be championing the principle that men and women are equal in all aspects of law and thereby equally entitled to be free from fear and violent assault.

So what's your take on hundreds of women being abused by Muslims in Koln ? Not three thousand years ago, but just a month ago ?

Or will you keep digging for some traces of such vile treatment in out-dated and irrelevant sources, as long as they're non-Muslim ?

Just by the way: 'Islamophobia' strictly means 'fear of Islam'. Do you reckon German women now have any grounds for having 'fear of Islam' ? Or are those five hundred women over-doing it ? Should they just put up with 'different cultures' because, after all, all cultures are equal ?

Gutless.

Joe

Suse

It certainly is part feminist Angela Merkel's fault. She's Germany's boss and is Germany's main advocate of rush immigration http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/12/merkel-under-pressure-within-cdu-as-cologne-police-detail-assaults.html

I wonder if our own Sarah Hanson Young would dare see conflicts between her unregulated immigration cause and safety of unescorted women?

How come Sarah Hanson Young has said nothing at all so far on this topic? Or was that the pig suse just saw flying by the window?

I did like the article Petra. A couple of things though.

Petra: it is precisely fundamentalism and war (in part caused by relentless Western bombing) that the refugees are escaping!

No mention of Head lopping, Burning in Cages, Throat Cutting, Mass Shootings, etc, as a reason for Refugees escaping. Why not?

Petra: why can't progressive (liberal) westerners define and defend their own tradition?

They do but are silenced by the Politically Correct, Lefties & others of their ilk.

Do you think you could join the Conversation? Nah...

SOL: Was that a pig I just saw flying by the window?

It was a pig, I taught I saw a pig, I did, I did see a Pig fly past the window. A big Lefty, Feminist Pig. You are so lucky Suze. Was it ducking for cover.

So Suze, you agree it was the Germans fault not the moslems?

Plantagenet: I wonder if our own Sarah Hanson Young would dare see conflicts between her unregulated immigration cause and safety of unescorted women?

Yes, we haven’t heard from her for a while & certainly nothing on this subject. Strange.

Good article but with some reservations...

Once again we see the usual "Its only a few" (quote: "fundamentalists are not representative of the great majority of Muslims either in their own countries or as migrants"). The Muslims that join the radicals and terrorists always come from the 'great majority', never from Lutherans, athiests, Catholics or Rotarians.

No, it is all Muslims. They all accept the hate and violence in the Quran. They all have no problems with the evil deeds of Mohammed; and they never stand up to the so-called fundamentalists in their own countries.

The fact is that Muslims are unable to reflect on Islam (the Quran says "Do not ask questions") so they have no ability to understand basic notions of morality as understood in the West. In Islam, nothing is really wrong accept unbelief.

As to Cologne, what do you expect of people that are taught and blindly accept that women are dirt (actually the Quran says that wives are a field for the man to plow). In other words, dirt.

And people expect what? What Muslims will change? that a few lessons or condemnations will reform Islam? That we are will live peacefully in mutual respect, singing kumbayah?

Note that in the UK, the Guardian, that pillar of left-wing liberal, post-modern, feminist thought, has announced that it will no longer accept public comments underneath articles on race, immigration, and Islam. The reason, according to the ultra-progressive newspaper, is that such topics attract an “unacceptable level of toxic commentary.”

Your opinions are not welcome. We are doomed.

'Note that in the UK, the Guardian, that pillar of left-wing liberal, post-modern, feminist thought, has announced that it will no longer accept public comments underneath articles on race, immigration, and Islam.'

kactuz

I also notice how little press has been give to the fact that numerous schools have been in lock down or evacuated over the last few days. The leftist press including the abc are a disgrace. They hold little interest in the welfare of our country but only exist to promote their perverted worldview. Truth is a swear word to them.

Sweden, that wonderfully Progressive nation, lauded for its Socialist policies, is considered the rape capital of Europe. I don't believe the average native Swede (as in ethnically and culturally Swedish) is particularly predisposed towards violence towards women, however what has happened over the last few decades is that they have opened their borders to refugees and immigrants from Islamic countries. The end result being their rape statistics have gone through the roof, and places like Malmo, have been virtual no-go zones.

No wonder that Germany (who opened the floodgates to Muslim refugees and immigrants alike) is now experiencing what Sweden has been going through for years.

As for Muslims being a victim group? Personally I don't hold with collective victims. Victims should be assessed individually and their personal situation and circumstance examined to confirm their claim. To say that groups are collectively victims, gives them too much power by the State, and enables the bullies and criminals within the group, giving them virtually a free pass to act badly with no consequence to their actions.

Voter

you highlight so well why 'progressives'is really regressive. Just look at the degradtion caused by porn. The regressives call taking nude shots of young girls art while the rational call it pornography. The 'progressives' have always twisted language because they want to disguise what they really stand for.

The silence from such lefty femonazis as Sarah simply proves that she has one and she is one.

The author has identified a difficult social emergence and moral conundrum for the left. She makes a complex argument, among others, that feminists, and others who claim allegiance to left-wing politics - can (and true to her own radical left beliefs should be) pro-refugee but are stumped when it comes to thinking through the implications of the moral diversity this creates. After all, in many regions where refugees are from what anthropologists Richard Schweder calls the ethics of community and divinity are prime and not, as for left-wingers, what he calls the ethics of autonomy. In some cases, such as with the mob sexual attacks in Cologne, Sweden and other places, the moral compass of some is orientated to keep social purity and heirarchy by intimidating women out of public space. I found this thoughtful, intelligent, compelling and well written article on a difficult subject - thanks for posting

I have said it before and now again. The conduct of the muslims in Europe is the conduct of the 'moderate muslims'. Don't forget they fled the radicals in Syria, Iraq, etc.

The muslims that offended against these women are the very ones that were invited into Europe, so now the Europeans have to live with that.

Does anyone think their conduct acceptable? Does anyone think they will change their conduct and attitude to women?

The only question remaining is:- Do we want people in western society that have and display such cultural practices?

If the answer is NO, then we have to stop muslim immigration.

Time for Aus to shut the gate on muslims.

'If the answer is NO, then we have to stop muslim immigration.'

come on Banjo the predominant dogma of emily's listers is we want it all. They have overplayed their hand and put all our wives/daughters in danger and are still to pigheaded to acknowledge their errors.

Banjo "Does anyone think their conduct acceptable? Does anyone think they will change their conduct and attitude to women?
The only question remaining is:- Do we want people in western society that have and display such cultural practices?"

Are you calling sexual assault and rape "cultural practices" Banjo? Why?
You must then believe that all the non-Muslim men who rape or assault women are also practicing their 'culture', when in fact rape is criminal violence against women, no matter who does it?

If we follow your ideas then we need to rid our western society of ALL men who rape and sexually assault women (no problems with me on this idea), because if you are suggesting we get rid of only Muslim men from other countries that display these 'cultural practices' , then that would be seen as being racist wouldn't it?

What disgusts me is that all the ranting and raving and crowing from the local racists and bigots about how the Cologne assaults on all those women were allegedly carried out by Muslim refugees, thus vindicating their warped views on immigration, and yet not a word about all the other rapes and assaults on women in Cologne from other men?

You guys couldn't give a damn about the women allegedly attacked in Cologne, and you know it...

Not really, Suse.

Perhaps what appals most of us blokes on this thread is the shocking mass assaults in Koln/Cologne, and the lack of official attention to them, hundreds of them, on 'cultural' grounds. Most of us, I'm sure, would not want to use the excuse of 'culture' to sweep any rapes under the carpet. Wouldn't you agree ?

If a mob of thousands of German men harass and assaulted and fraped on the same scale, we would be just as appalled, and ashamed and disgusted by proxy. Wouldn't that be the proper response ?

Just say it, Suse: "I think that what happened was appalling." What happened should be condemned, regardless of who were the perpetrators. Isn't that so ?

Joe

This article makes two fundamental errors.

The first is pretty obvious: there is no conundrum for feminists. Speaking out does not equate to racism. I know that many of the commenters on this site believe the Right's silly stereotype about the views of the Left, but that's no excuse to publish articles from writers so lazy that they just assume those myths to be true. Multiculturalism never excused any crime, and nor was it ever meant to.

The second error is assuming the perpetrators of the attacks were Muslim fundamentalists. Unfortunately there's no evidence for that. If this kind of behaviour is really so common in the countries they're from, it's more likely they're not. It also means the authorities have been remiss in failing to communicate to the refugees how seriously they take that sort of crime. And it highlights the need for discussions with Middle Eastern governments to encourage them to crack down on it in their countries too.

Muslim fundamentalists still need to be dealt with, but that's a separate problem.

suse,
You are getting sillier and sillier in your defense of the gropers and rapists in Europe on NYE. How any woman could defend such conduct is beyond my comprehension.

The gang rapists in Sydney in 2000 should have indicated to you just how little respect muslims give to women. Now it appears you condone or ignore the massive number of sex assaults of last NYE.

I don't particularly like Donald Trump, but he is going to become the next President of the USA because most people find the attitudes of people like Foxy and Susieonline completely unfathomable.

Islam is a religion which seeks to keep women in complete subjugation of men,using rape as a means to do it. Muslim men believe that women are minors, and the property of males. They believe that men have "uncontrollable lusts" which it is the responsibility of women to keep in check. This must be achieved by women conforming to the highest possible moral code invented for them by Muslim men. Women who violate this code deserve to be raped, and if they are raped, it is the woman's fault and not the man's.

You don't need to be a Mensa from the local Audubon Society to figure out that this is a way of men keeping women completely under control. As such, feminists should be screaming their disgust at this religion from the rooftops. But they don't.

They have been conditioned to hate racism for so long that they just can't focus on the obvious. To attack the Muslim faith is to attack Muslims, and attacking Muslims is racism. So like any other ideologue who refuses to acknowledge that their holy orthodoxy is not conforming to self evident reality, they are beginning to look ridiculous. The sexual attacks on western women in western countries is going to get worse and worse the more Muslims are allowed to immigrate to the west. This fact is already apparent and a portent of things to come.

The importation of Muslims into western society is detrimental to the safety of western women. That is a fact. The only western politician who has had the guts to say the obvious is Donald Trump. That is why Trump will be elected President of the USA.

Poor feminists. Either they acknowledge racism will protect them, or they can continue to create a society where women in western countries can increasingly live in fear

Aidan wrote:

"Multiculturalism never excused any crime, and nor was it ever meant to."

Actually multiculturalism was given as an excuse to overlook the Rotherham rapes in the UK. Police and Labour Councils turned a blind eye because they did not want to appear racist, and their only concern was adhering to political correctness.

"I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that."

Is the quote given on many articles on the subject. It's easy to find, simply Google 'Rotherham Rapes'.

1,400 innocent girls in Rotherham alone were abandoned to their fate by Progressive Labour councils and PC police. Tens of thousands more across the UK were similarly abused by 'Asian' aka Muslim rape gangs.

Closer to home we had in Australia that Afghan refugee who sexually abused young children - he was let off by a Magistrate because of 'cultural differences'. I believe such a stink occurred over that decision that the refugee was later detained - and subsequently took his own life (no loss given that he was a paedophile).

p.s. I am a woman - however unlike Suseonline, I am a rational, clear-thinking one.

Aidan: I know that many of the commenter’s on this site believe the Right's silly stereotype about the views of the Left, but that's no excuse to publish articles from writers so lazy that they just assume those myths to be true.

The Rights view on the Left is correct & not the Lefts View are not Myths.

Aidan: The second error is assuming the perpetrators of the attacks were Muslim fundamentalists. Unfortunately there's no evidence for that. If this kind of behaviour is really so common in the countries they're from, it's more likely they're not

I now assume that you live under a rock.

Aidan: It also means the authorities have been remiss in failing to communicate to the refugees how seriously they take that sort of crime.

Year right. I can see it now. “All right all you Refugee men come over here. Groping women in Europe in a crime & no considered PC or appropriate. Off you go & have a good time.”

Aidan: And it highlights the need for discussions with Middle Eastern governments to encourage them to crack down on it in their countries too.

Yes, you should go to Syria & tell them that.

LEGO: Islam is a religion which seeks to keep women in complete subjugation of men, using rape as a means to do it. Muslim men believe that women are minors, and the property of males. They believe that men have "uncontrollable lusts" which it is the responsibility of women to keep in check. This must be achieved by women conforming to the highest possible moral code invented for them by Muslim men. Women who violate this code deserve to be raped, and if they are raped, it is the woman's fault and not the man's

Yep that about sums it up. So Suze this is what you want in Australia. It’ll be OK if moslems do it because it’s their Culture but not for European men. Is that what I hear you saying.

LEGO: To attack the Muslim faith is to attack Muslims, and attacking Muslims is racism. Islam is a religion which seeks to keep women in complete subjugation of men, using rape as a means to do it. Muslim men believe that women are minors, and the property of males.

& If Islam is attacked they then have the Right to defend their Faith by killing as many Infidels they can.

LEGO: feminists should be screaming their disgust at this religion from the rooftops. But they don't.

Yeah, Why is that Suze? Too much to think about?

In today's Australian, Hugo Rifkind (who I always thought was on the left?) wrote along the lines that "we can have all charming varieties of food, dance, dress and language, but we cannot have a 'variety of values'."

We must stand firm on our hard-fought human rights, mainly in this case, of the equality of men and women before the law, the rights of women to go anywhere they like, with whom they like, and wear any damn thing they like, to reclaim the streets, reclaim the night (now where have I heard that blast from the past ?), without fear of assault or worse, from any concerted body of men: Muslim, Jehovah's Witness, Buddhist, or atheist.

If Muslim men - or any men - have trouble understanding the equality of women, and if they can only see free women as sluts, they really have problems, and any perpetrators should be put through a long course on universal values such as human equality while they are incarcerated for whatever the appropriate term might have been if they had NOT been Muslim - i.e. x years for rape (including gross sexual assault), x months for assault or for terrorising women, or for inciting their big, brave mates to assault women.

Given the culture and ethical systems that Muslim men have been raised in, where they are supremely dominant, always, this is probably going to take some time. But women and their rights are surely precious enough to make such defence of them vital and necessary.

Don't you agree, Suse ?

Suse ?

Suse ?

Joe

All women, feminist or not, would abhor these sort of crimes, no matter who perpetrated them. Who says they don't care?
Anyone who says otherwise is a liar looking for any reason to vilify all Muslims for the crimes of a few.
Disgusting.

Suze: Anyone who says otherwise is a liar looking for any reason to vilify all Muslims for the crimes of a few. Disgusting.

You seem to go out of your way to defend mozzies luv. What was you said about blaming an individual person or changing it to the facts. See I told you that what you do. ;-) Luv ya.

Dear Suse, when 1000 men abuse, molest and then rape women, that is 'hardly the crimes of a few', is it, do you think? Or do you think?

rule number 2 for feminist. We are never wrong. Pathetic Susie!

The utterings of the Teflon-coated apologists,

In response to the thousand plus known victims of the child sex trafficking by Pakistani men (the PC leftists say 'Asian' instead) in Rotherham and other centres in the UK,

Suseonline, "Unfortunately, there are rapists and paedophiles in all countries and amongst all races."
[Rotherham reveals the price we pay for multiculturalism
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6547 ]

In response to the Cologne attacks where police, government officials and journalists have been forced to admit that they failed the women attacked in Cologne, Germany on New Year’s Eve.

Prosecutors said police received 945 complaints from the victims of the attacks. More than 430 were for sex crimes. Prosecutors named 35 suspects, 32 of them from North Africa.

In response, Suseonline opines, "Anyone who says otherwise is a liar looking for any reason to vilify all Muslims for the crimes of a few".

Teflon coated apologists for Islamists in lock-step!

The underlying principle of all feminist theory is 'It isn't a lie . . . if you believe it.'.

Then there is feminist 'research'.. :(

Suse,

Straw man ?

" .... a liar looking for any reason to vilify all Muslims for the crimes of a few."

Says who that all Muslims are being vilified ? Parts of Muslim culture and ideology, yes. Attitudes of Muslims - as justified by their book - to women, yes. Mass gropings by Muslim mobs, yes.

But 'all' ? Not women, for a start, and that's half, the half that work like dogs to support the rest. Muslims from non-dominant sects, no. As far as I know, Indonesian Muslims, no.

Put that together and that's a great majority of Muslims who are blameless of fingerings and gropings and ripping off of the undergarments of your sisters, Suse. So who do you support in those 'minority' of cases ?

Call it like it is: a mob of mainly Muslims, mainly from north Africa, used their mass numbers (and their superior body size) to terrorise hundreds of women in Cologne on New Year's Eve. Do you agree or not ? Any more excuses ? Those poor blokes are misunderstood ? Lonely ? Isolated and homesick ? Unaccustomed to women having freedoms ? Pick your preference.

Joe

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Feminist research indeed . . . an oxymoron minus the 'oxy' . . .

Good article. The points on (3rd wave) feminism refusing to be critical of anything non-Western is well known in conservative circles.

The point Kolakowski makes is an important one. The left, because they are so dominant in intellectual circles and are so embedded in critiquing their own culture (Western culture), often to the point of nihilism, that it's become almost impossible the defend Western culture. Any defense of traditions or customs is branded racist, jingoistic, bogan or redneck. The left won't voluntarily relinquish their power in academic circles easily either. Their anti-Western critiques are a religion - they sit on metaphysical tenets and are defend with extreme fervor. The only solution, that I can see, is to withdraw the funding from those publicly funded institutions where this stuff originates and then disseminated.

Ah, the language of trivialisation. Why are feminists supposed to have conundrums, while everyone else has moral dillemmas? Why are feminists 'vexed', when everyone else is outraged?

Yes, many feminists are loathe to criticise the seemingly Muslim perpetrators of these crimes out of fear of being labelled racist or islamaphobic. But so do many non-feminists - in fact, the entire Western mainstream.

While this article goes to great lengths to point out the Left's (and feminism's) moral dilemmas about the Koln attacks (and much of it I agree with), nowhere does the writer show any awareness of the mainly Right-wing moral dilemma of the West's endless wars on Muslim countries.

The West is facing all kinds of serious culture shocks as a result of blowback from these wars, as refugees flood to the West in their millions. And it's going to get a whole lot worse.

This is one moral dilemma in which the Right is well and truly asleep at the wheel.

Killarney "The West is facing all kinds of serious culture shocks as a result of blowback from these wars, as refugees flood to the West in their millions. And it's going to get a whole lot worse.
This is one moral dilemma in which the Right is well and truly asleep at the wheel."

A lot of the right-wing movements gaining popularity at the moment have an anti-globalist agenda. They are, mostly, ethnic identity movements, who are against intervening in the wars in the Middle East. I suspect you're referring to the neo-conservatives from the Bush administration, and its followers, who began 'The project for the new American century'.

Kilarny: as refugees flood to the West in their millions. And it's going to get a whole lot worse.

I guess Europe has started to wake up & ship them home. I glad Australia is an Island as it makes it harder for them to get here un aided by Labor & the Greens. None of these men are Refugees. They have fled for Economic reasons & Cowards leaving most of their women behind to face ISIS or other Fundamentalist Groups.

They bring their ancient beliefs with them & try to impose their beliefs on the west. Then the Greenies, PC, the Loony Left & Raving Feminazi support them. The very people whose head will roll first.

Aristocrat

‘A lot of the right-wing movements gaining popularity at the moment have an anti-globalist agenda.’

Yes, I agree. But they are more the radical Right, which has a lot in common with the radical Left. The conservative mainstream Right, like the conservative mainstream Left, are in most cases fully behind the West/Nato’s wars on the Middle East. A lot of the reason for this is that they get most of their information from the Western mainstream media, which is very propagandistic. The PNAC is very influential in this regard, but there are many other factors involved, especially the global corporate agenda, which are outside the scope of this discussion.

I hate putting myself in the ‘apologists for ISIS’ camp by default. Like most people, the more I read about ISIS, the less I know. All I can see is that the Muslim countries of the Middle East have been crippled and destroyed by sanctions, serial regime change, bombing and invasions (either by proxy or direct) – and it’s been going on for many decades. This is enough to spawn a lot of anger and resentment towards the West.

Traditionally, both sides of political conflicts use rape and sexual assault as a weapon of war. I fear that, the more war refugees flood into Europe, women and women’s rights will increasingly become a battlefield in its own right. Feminists have enough on their plate dealing with Western sexism and the anti-feminist backlash; they need this new round of ‘exotic’ assaults on women like the proverbial hole in the proverbial head.

Jayb

I have no idea how many of the Muslim refugees are what you describe. But, from the comfort of my cosy Western lifestyle and keyboard, I can at least try to relate to their misery. If the West is unable to leave Muslim countries alone, then we can’t keep claiming the moral high ground when they retaliate against us.

I have to agree with Killarney, and say that the west should just leave the Middle East alone.

We should have let Iran defeat Iraq and started a holy war between Shiites and Sunnis a lot sooner. And if Iraq had managed to keep the Iranians at bay, we should have let Saddam invade Kuwait, and then take Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. With 70% of the world's oil supplies and Mecca in his hands, Iraq could have become a military superpower for Islam. Both I and Killarney can't see a problem with that. Islam could have begun it's Jihad against us much sooner, after the Sunnis under Saddam had managed to wipe out 60 million Iranians. The sooner the Muslims take over the West, the sooner we will have peace.

We should have let the Taliban take over all of Afghanistan and let Osama bin Laden and his merry men continue to use Afghanistan as a base for terrorist activities against western countries. The Taliban could continue to stone women to death, shoot schoolgirls in the face, and hang men off goal posts during soccer games to provide added entertainment for the crowds.

We should have let Maumar Ghaddafi win in Libya and massacre his enemies which he promised he was going to do.

We should stop supporting Israel and let the Arabs conquer the place, kill every male Jew, gang bang the Jewish females and turn them into sex slaves. We should let the Arabs turn Israel from the Middle East's only successful democracy which can give it's people a decent standard of living, into another dysfunctional Islamic Arab cesspit.

The problems in the Middle east have nothing to do with Islam, it is all the West's fault. We must not interfere, because if the responsible and advanced countries of this world try and stop Muslim anarchy, it will just make the Muslims angry.

As that Swedish minister once famously said, "We must be nice to Muslims, so when they become the majority, they will be nice to us."

Lego

Lest we forget, the West has also had its squabbling civil wars, the most recent of which (WWI and II) left almost 100 million dead and many more millions displaced. And let's not even start counting the death toll from the West's empires and its past sectarian power struggles between Protestants and Catholics.

All countries find their own way forward when left in peace. That's a basic rule of existence that the West retains for itself, but not for countries deemed unsuitable to Western interests.

Aristocrat,

I tend to agree that it is a good article. Or - as seen from Cologne where I am sitting - an interesting article. I also agree that most feminists (I am referring to the German scene) refuse to be critical of non-Western cultures and habits. One notable exemption is Alice Schwarzer, the mother (or rather grand-mother, born 1942) of German feminists who on 5th January published an article (in German) with the title “Consequences of false tolerance” (http://www.aliceschwarzer.de/artikel/das-sind-die-folgen-der-falschen-toleranz-331143 ). Nevertheless, the majority of feminists here, as far as I can tell, are of the Suseonline ilk.

There is one assertion in the article that is certainly wrong, namely “the Cologne attacks show that a radicalized fringe of Muslim fundamentalists are active in the West”.

The about 1000 active and passive (forming a ring preventing the haples victims from escaping and the heavily outnumbered police from intervening) perpetrators were intoxicated, hence hardly “Muslim fundamentalists”.

Nevertheless, it is true that BOTH criminal elements from Northern Africa AND “radicalised Muslim fundamentalists” have had an easier access to Europe “on the back of” genuine refugees crossing the uncontrollable borders, whether invited or not.

Killarney: If the West is unable to leave Muslim countries alone, then we can’t keep claiming the moral high ground when they retaliate against us.

Oh I agree. All the Refugees should be sent back to whence they came, kids & all. Close the Borders, Turkey to Pakistan, Iran to Somalia. No one comes out. All Western influences on any description removed. No weapons to be sold to them. Let them go for it. Should be over in six months.

Thanks Killarney and LEGO,

I was struggling to find some way to attribute the mass assaults and rapes in Cologne to the West, so your explanations are most welcome.

In future, no matter what happens in Europe in relation to any Muslims, we can be confident that it's been the West's fault all along.

Go for it, fellas ! Finger away !

Joe

Killarney writes: "All countries find their own way forward when left in peace."

The Middle East was left in peace for hundreds of years whilst with bloodied swords in hand Muslims merrily advanced Islam across Egypt, North Africa, Spain, and elsewhere in the Mediterranean and southern Europe. Muslims then pushed their way Eastwards into Afghanistan, what is now Pakistan, and India, leaving a trail of human corpses behind them.

Eventually they were pushed out of Europe and parts of the Middle East by Crusaders (who were a long-delayed reaction to Islamic violence against Christians and Christian pilgrims).

So no - if you leave them in peace they won't subside into peace, they will always wield the sword.

Loudmouth: Eventually they were pushed out of parts of the Middle East by Crusaders (who were a long-delayed reaction to Islamic violence against Christians and Christian pilgrims).

Well Partially right. You see, the Middle East belonged to the Eastern Holy Roman Empire before the moslems took it by force. The Capital being Constantinople. The Crusaders were trying to restore their own Empire with the help of the Western Holy Roman Empire. One that was stolen from them by the moslems.

Jayb,

I'm honoured to take the credit for Voter's post. You do me proud :)

In case someone else drags up the Crusades out of the rubbish dump of history yet again, we should put all of that in some temporal context:

* much of the Levant was under the Greeks from the time of Alexander, given over to one of his generals, Seleucis I think;

* from around 80 BC, the Romans occupied all of that area and beyond;

* from around 200 AD (?), much of the area had converted to Christianity, and remained so until the Arab invasions in the 630s;

* the Christians and Arabs fought over the area for a few hundred years, from around 1080 (?) onwards, control swinging to and fro, until the total destruction of all Byzantine political entities and the conquest of Constantinople by the religion of peace in 1453;

* the Turkish Sultan had absolute power over the region, as a vilayet, until early last century, ruling over separated ghettoes of Jews, Christians, Yazidis, Alawites, etc. on payment of the jizra.

In between times, the Mongols, Seljuk Turks and then the Ottomans, conquered all or part of the region, with enough brutality to satisfy even the most fundamental of ISIS psychotics.

Gosh, it must have been a fun time to live in those parts over the last couple of thousand years.

But whatever happens there now, we can be confident that the west would be to blame - conflict has rarely been endogenous to the region. The people are more or less blameless, never swayed by idiot ideologies. Quite amazing people.

Joe

loudmouth: Gosh, it must have been a fun time to live in those parts over the last couple of thousand years.

Yes, that's why I advocate that the West ship every moslem, Minor, Moderate or otherwise back to the Middle East & close the borders behind them. Seal the borders completely, Remove any & all Western influence's, Give them no arms & let them go for it. Should only take six months & the region would be peaceful. Might be very few people left but who really gives a S#!t.

We could watch as nightly entertainment on TV, courtesy of Satellites.

Rotherham = Cronulla Mark II.
Cologne = Rotherham Mark II = Cronulla Mark III.

All the direct consequence of PC appeasement.

It was French philosopher [Pierre] Manent who defined political correctness as "The language used by those who are terrified of what would happen if they stopped lying".