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Unjoining CO2, climate and ecocide : Comments

By Tim Florin, published 29/1/2016

The degradation of the Earth due to human activity can and should be unjoined from climate and CO2. Solutions should not be centred around CO2 alone.

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The bottom line is climate change is happening; whether man created or otherwise. What are those who deny man created climate change going to do? keep slowing down any necessary changes to infrastructure such as developed low lying areas that have highways, roads or streets; with homes or businesses.
There are 14 Mayors in Florida who wish to show a couple of Republican candidates for Presidency areas already being impacted by king tides even when there are no storm surges.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/01/26/3742935/rubio-bush-florida-mayors-letter/

Tim, makes many statements that keep being presented by deniers. It is no surprise that the Monthly did not publish his article as it has all been said before and debunked.
The Japanese Meteorological Agency have indicated that 2014 displayed a record temperature.
Berkeley Laboratories questioned whether 2014 had the highest temperature but leaves it somewhat open ended. Berkeley Laboratories state it is a toss up between a couple of years pst 1998. CSIRO, Berkeley Laboratories and other Agencies all display very similar graphs in relation to temperature trend.

https://vimeo.com/128141163

Tim is wrong about CO2 not reacting with infrared radiated long waves, an eleven year study did research at two locations in the natural environment. The study showed exactly what scientists had been saying. Previously many experiments from simple to quite complex had shown the the reaction.

While the figures might seem small when multiplied by however many billion square meters there are show quite a jump over equilibrium.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150225132103.htm

The other factor is that Oceans are warming. A recent study compared data from the 1870s compiled on the British research Challenger with contemporary data.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/18/world-oceans-warming-faster-rate-new-study-fossil-fuels?CMP=soc_567

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-01/uob-cco012516.php
It was very noticeable that no citations were provided to back what Tim was writing.
Posted by ant, Friday, 29 January 2016 11:20:36 AM
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Neverwas I didn't bother to say anything because we have been over this ground many times.

Let's listen to the experts, I have little knowledge of climate science my training is in Physics and Computer science. I therefore have not got the enough knowledge to do anything other then take the consensus view of climate scientist.

I wouldn't ask a climate scientist about my gastro, and I wouldn't ask Tim about climate science.

Indeed I would seriously question what the motivation of someone who is talking well outside their area of expertise.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Friday, 29 January 2016 11:39:49 AM
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Whatever the merits of the good professor's position on climate change, it is clear that this rant is not publishable in any journal of quality. Surely the professor realises that publication requires good argument, clear writing and a respect for and reference to evidence. One hopes that his medical publications are better than this rambling piece.
Posted by Godo, Friday, 29 January 2016 1:54:30 PM
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But why should The Monthly Magazine even be obliged to print/publish Tim's rebuttal of Robert Manne's essay?

Do the publishers of the IPA Review, Quadrant Magazine or Policy Magazine ever allow or feature essays which challenge the "orthodox" corporate and/or libertarian, and old-time Christian religiosity, group-think that they collectively promote?

Quadrant online almost specializes in featuring essays which pretend to debunk the "warmist religion".
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 29 January 2016 3:03:22 PM
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Powell, a different person to the one mentioned in the referred article, stated that between 2013 and 2014 there were 24,000 peer reviewed papers published in journals. He stated only a handful were written by skeptical scientists. The 24,000 is interesting when compared to; quote:
"... climate change–related writing from conservative think tanks, they found 16,028 reports, interviews, op-eds, press releases, and scientific reviews from between 1998 and 2013 — nearly 40 times the number (224) that McCright and Dunlap found 16 years earlier (and that’s once you factor in that the earlier study covered just 7 years, and not 15)."

From:

http://grist.org/politics/the-right-wing-climate-denial-machine-is-churning-faster-than-ever/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=weekly-static

Climate scientists have been writing about glaciers regressing causing major problems for people who rely on them for water and income.
Lake Poopo, in Bolivia has just dried, it was around 1,100 square kilometres in size and provided income for fishermen. Lake Titicaca is also regressing as are most glaciers around the planet.
Posted by ant, Friday, 29 January 2016 3:49:31 PM
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Yeah, I'm not surprised they didn't publish it either either Daffy. They would probably have had heaps of submissions from every 'sceptic' and their dog trying to 'rebut' whatever Manne wrote. I know Don Aitken has wanted to have a crack in the past, unsuccessful of course.

Anyways, I wish the author would have had more exposition on this 'ecocide' business he mentions in the title of this well-worn piece.

It really irritates me when authors use these words in the titles of their articles and do not at all mention them or address them in their texts.
Posted by Bugsy, Friday, 29 January 2016 3:50:01 PM
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