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European Union becomes irrelevant in resolving the Jewish-Arab conflict : Comments

By David Singer, published 29/1/2016

This fundamental disconnect between the EU and Israel over the Arab Peace Initiative continues to detrimentally impact on their relationship.

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David, IS/ISIS/ISIL etc etc is no threat to Israel.

In fact Israel has been supporting this entity by covertly providing medical aid to IS fighters.

In addition, Israel is one of the primary purchasers of IS stolen oil, smuggled out of Iraq and Syria by Turkeys ruling family and this has also been proven beyond doubt.

IS is also being supported by the West, through defacto states (read Saudi Arabia and certain other Gulf states) as well as the CIA and EU security services.

The only entities really trying to deal with IS are Russia, Syria (FSA) and the Kurds.

You may wish to rethink your statements in this article and get back to us.

Cheers Geoff
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Friday, 29 January 2016 9:07:44 AM
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Yakity yak and blah blah that's all I hear all day, from you david and your broken record rhetoric.

You come over like a whining old woman complaining about the less than perfect conditions in her nursing home.

Have a banana, it'll take your mind off it?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 29 January 2016 9:55:31 AM
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#Geoff

Care to provide the evidence to support your following statement:
"In addition, Israel is one of the primary purchasers of IS stolen oil, smuggled out of Iraq and Syria by Turkeys ruling family and this has also been proven beyond doubt."

Who is "Turkey's ruling family"?

"Proven beyond doubt"? I somehow missed this ground breaking expose. Would love to read it. Please furnish a link to the source you rely on.

Indeed - care to similarly support your other unsubstantiated statements as well?

Put up or shut up.

#Rhosty

Just the kind of asinine comment I would expect to receive from someone who is unable to discuss the issues raised in my article.

If you believe the EU has any further role in brokering a peace between the Jews and Arabs then give me your reasons and we can discuss them.

If you believe the Arab Peace Initiative has any relevance to resolving the 100 years conflict between Jews and Arabs given the utter chaos among the Arab States at the moment fuelled by the creation of Islamic State - then tell me why.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 29 January 2016 2:20:16 PM
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Being a Jew, David wishes Israel to take his side in this "Jewish-Arab conflict".

What does he care about Israelis spilling their blood for him?
What does he care about Israelis losing their morals and moral-ground for him?

Go fight your own wars, David.

If you hate Arabs and/or believe that Judea and Samaria belong to you (for whatever reason, I do not care), then go yourself to the West Bank and face off the "Palestinians", risking your own life, limb and morality, not other people's!

Even once Israel accepts the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative, as it is in its own best interests, nothing should stop David and his group of lunatics from fighting their own private wars in Judea and Samaria after Israel withdraws.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 29 January 2016 2:38:01 PM
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Hi David. Here are a few references for you re the oil going to Israel:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43589.ht

Plus this http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39825.htm

And this, with a bit more detail - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-28/isis-oil-trade-full-frontal-raqqas-rockefellers-bilal-erdogan-krg-crude-and-israel-c

And this http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/12/yes-turkey-buying-oil-isis.html

And this http://nationalvanguard.org/2015/12/turkey-is-buying-oil-from-isis-via-israeli-middleman/

And also http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=15244

I could go on but what is the point, you will just deny it all won't you David.

If you don't, then can you please show me the evidence that Israel is not doing what I suggested. Good luck on that score.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Friday, 29 January 2016 4:39:30 PM
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David. I disagree with the fundamental premise of your article. The article implies that the EU EVER had a constructive role to play in resolving the issue. The EU endorsement/support for Isreali withdrawal from 1967 lines, particularly in the Golan area was never a viable proposition. The results of the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, and what happened subsequently, sealed the fate of the poor benighted palistinian population with regard to Isreali withdrawal from essential militarily defensible areas. A brief glance at a topographical map clearly indicate areas that will never be negotiable.
The same glance at a topographical map of the Ukrain will illustrate why Russia will always have a military eye in that region (think Napoleon, Denmark, Sweden and Hitler).
Posted by Prompete, Saturday, 30 January 2016 6:28:35 AM
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You wish singer.
Posted by mikk, Saturday, 30 January 2016 10:55:53 AM
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Discuss the issues David? Well I could have, but would have risked being labeled just too repetitive or irrelevant for folk with your attention span; or absolute lack of any intention to resolve the issue in a manner that doesn't include additional annexation of Palestinian land?

Which you always seem to justify along with the innocent blood spilt?

And if you don't like my humor? Just don't bother to read it, given just how well it seems to push your buttons?

As always I will respond, if at all, in any civil manner I chose, particularly if it offends your, I believe, nazi like pomposity and arrogant attitude, where you attempt to justify the unjustifiable, defend the undefendable, excuse the inexcusable and forgive the unforgivable.

Archaeological discoveries seem to be saying there was no actual exodus, or indeed any of the other myths that rely on this invention, including the claim of a chosen people or that God gave them land!

As always throughout the course of human history, land has been seized in bloody conquest and repatriated by the same means?

And if the jewish nation sitting other folks annexed land; are now reaping the whirlwind of their own making! And given you are a very clever lawyer and devil's advocate David!

Don't look to me for anything but satire, or treating your completely absurd claims or wish list as a farcical joke.
Have a nice day.
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 30 January 2016 10:58:07 AM
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There is a lot in what Rhosty has said, humorous or not.

The basic premise of this article is that EU is an irrelevance. With yet another million-plus and refugees on their doorstep, then the EU cannot be irrelevant.

If the 2002 agreement was waved away after a year by one party,then there must be better justification than that in 2003 they stated their desire to ignore 2002. The actions of he who decides to go back on their word says much about the nature of that party.

David's incessant rantings on these pages do nothing for his cause. We all, somewhere in our personal and social histories, have lost out somewhere. We also, the jewish tribes especially, seem to have had the occasional good outcome. That is a universal truth, not a cause for undying hatred, descendant against descendant.

I have some suggestions for David regarding his coming articles.
1. Include one that demonstrates the generosity of spirit of Israel the nation towards its neighbours.
2. Plus another that demonstrates the strong and universal compassion of Jewish Israellis the people towards those that they have oppressed, made captive and victimised for 60+ years.
3. Then another which presents clear evidence of departure of (all) Israelli settlers from (all) stolen land, complete if possible with photos of handshakes all around and garlands of flowers as the returning owners are welcomed.

Until then, lawyer or not, learned or not, Mr Singer will remain in my view as he is now - an apologist for a one-sided,unreasoned assault by a stronger nation of its weaker neighbours, of a strong nation which is determined to wage war without end for no good reason and to use whatever ends are at its disposal to continue that conflict, including methods ranging from written words, as here, to nuclear warheads.

Rhosty was right to attempt humour.

Humour is the spear of the weak against the strong. May there be more of it.
Posted by JohnBennetts, Saturday, 30 January 2016 2:47:14 PM
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Every time they had peace talks to solve the Jewish-Palestinian
Conflict. I just laughed and shook my head, even 10years or more ago

There is no peaceful solution to that problem, never has been.

The only way to end it, is not by peaceful means,
But a fight to the death, and we all know how that's going to end.

Arab and European nations taking sides and World War3 Armageddon.
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 30 January 2016 11:57:35 PM
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Rhosty,

Got any of those bananas left.?

Funny!,
Posted by CHERFUL, Sunday, 31 January 2016 12:03:55 AM
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Geoff said;
In fact Israel has been supporting this entity by covertly providing
medical aid to IS fighters.

Actually Geoof, the Israelis released TV videos of the ISIS wounded
being treated in Israeli hospitals. How covert are TV news ?

As far as oil is concerned I wouldn't have a clue, but when it comes
to oil all considerations like that go out the window.

If I had my druthers I would saw off the Middle East, no one in, no one out.
It is a madhouse run by mentally incompetents.
This will continue for hundreds of more years even if they now stop
marrying their cousins.
The rest of the world has to face up to the root cause.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 31 January 2016 8:03:20 AM
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What are you and your employers the Israeli Propaganda Dept going to do Dave if France recognizes the Palestinian State.
Invade like your lot normally do and kill men,women and children as taught by Sharon in Lebanon camps.Send in the IDF in Proxy called the settlers who seem to be able to murder with impunity.
Times running out Dave
Posted by John Ryan, Sunday, 31 January 2016 12:14:02 PM
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Well David I have 'put up' as requested, it's beginning to look like you have 'shut up' still waiting on your response. The lack of response is starting to indicate something! Hit a nerve have I.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Sunday, 31 January 2016 1:59:49 PM
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Hi Cherful, the bananas have all gone, but there's a bit of chocolate cake left.

Mind you, the icing looks and smells a little dicey, can't tell where it's been or who sat on it last! Where it is sure to have created an impression? Let's hope it's not a lasting one?

Two men walked into a bar. You'd think one of them would've seen it.
Cheers, Rhrosty
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 31 January 2016 6:06:24 PM
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"Seen what?" Said the cockatoo, sitting near the rows of glasses on the bar.

"Don't ask me" said the green tree snake wearing dark glasses,perched on a bar stool,
"I'm visually impaired"
Posted by CHERFUL, Monday, 1 February 2016 9:26:51 PM
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David I can only conclude that my evidence trumps yours. I await your written apology on this thread, if of course you are not ignoring me because I don't rate as someone worthy of responding to, like all those terrible Palestinians you keep going on about!
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 6:39:00 PM
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#Geoff

Your first cited article - " http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39825.htm - could not be located - my search revealing the following response:

"http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43589.ht

Not Found

The requested URL /article43589.ht was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

Your second article - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39825.htm - does not deal with sales of ISIS oil to Israel - only with Israel's treatment of wounded Syrians opposing Assad and there is no evidence in it that Israel is covertly treating IS fighters as you allege.

Point out if I am wrong by quoting the section you are relying on if you disagree.

You rely on the following third article to support your claim that "In addition, Israel is one of the primary purchasers of IS stolen oil, smuggled out of Iraq and Syria by Turkeys ruling family and this has also been proven beyond doubt."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-28/isis-oil-trade-full-frontal-raqqas-rockefellers-bilal-erdogan-

Yet this article states:

"To be sure, all of this is circumstantial and there's all kinds of ambiguity here, but it seems entirely possible that Erdogan is knowingly trafficking in ISIS crude given what we know about Ankara's dealings with illegal Kurdish oil. "

And further...

"Ultimately we'll probably never know the whole story, but what we do know (and again, most of the evidence is either circumstantial, anecdotal, of largely qualitative) seems to suggest that in addition to providing guns and money to the FSA and al-Nusra, Turkey may well be responsible for facilitating Islamic State's $400+ million per year oil enterprise. "

"Proven beyond doubt" - as you misleadingly claim? You are a joke.

No point wasting my time reading further links

Put up quoted remarks from articles you rely on to support your sensational and unsubstantiated statements in future - or shut up.

Responding to your misleading and outright false comments is a waste of time and space.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 12:10:16 AM
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