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Australia Day: the least we can do is accept our own history : Comments

By Andrew Bartlett, published 25/1/2016

The fact Stan Grant’s compelling speech has gone viral shows just how deeply this refusal to accept the reality of Australia’s history resonates with so many people.

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Stan Grant's rant puts him on a par with Pilger. I need say no more.
David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 3:41:13 PM
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You blokes have done it now! You have hurt Andrew and he is not going to answer any of us now!
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 5:05:21 PM
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Lego,
Your analogy with the Romans missed slavery and their total disregard for human life. When the Romans conquered, the vanquished were permitted to remain in charge and keep their own customs as long as they paid tax and planned no insurrections. Vanquished Australians, though, were labelled non-human and enslaved.
The British found a continent inhabited by strong, healthy people [hence the beach named “Manly”] who for 40,000 years had enjoyed bountiful food from pristine plains and forests, drinkable rivers, and seas teeming with fish, their shores empty of non organic flotsam and jetsam. The air was clean. There were no fences, borders, police, army, governments, because ancient customs kept everything going in a manner that ensured it would last another 40,000 years.
The colonisers deforested vast swathes, lost most of the topsoil, extinguished much of the wildlife and rendered land, waterways, sea and air toxic. Their social system of wage slaves saw once free people rendered beggars with no land to provide food and no money to buy the unhealthy stuff provided by their overlords.
New diseases killed hundreds of thousands, greedy squatters did the same. They couldn’t get paid work and were forced to live on the rubbish belts of towns, shot if they complained, raped with impunity, their children taken from them…but I digress, back to the beneficent changes wrought by the British.
Forests replaced by vast cities and bleak towns populated with alcohol and gambling dependent bigots. Streets riddled with crime, health so poor the budget for health services is crippling. Increasing gap between rich and poor. No natural spaces within walking distance for most people, no chance to grow or catch one’s own food, no possibility of living a simple life because money, not manly strength is the only way to get food. Education that prepares kids for nothing. A climate that’s changing. Diseases, obesity, depression, debt. Empty lives filled with mindless television and Internet propaganda designed to keep the masses ignorant and docile…Yeah, it’s a great society that greedy, ignorant, racist bigots like you guys have helped create.
Posted by ybgirp, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 5:49:52 PM
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Gee ybgrip, you really have a problem with the modern world, don't you? I see that you are another "noble savage" advocate, who thinks that living in barbarism and ignorance is the way the human race should have stayed forever.

I have no knowledge of aboriginal Australians being considered by any Australian governments as non human. Governor Phillip himself was speared at Manly when he went on an inspection. When his marines raised their muskets to return fire, Phillip ordered them to lower their weapons. He was trying to create a new nation inclusive of aborigines, and he realised that the aborigines did not understand that yet. Your premise that the British brought human pathogens is true. But since they did not even know what a "germ" was in those days, how you can blame them for the resulting pandemic is beyond me. Human pathogens are the entire human race's enemy.

I have no knowledge of aboriginals being turned into slaves. The "stolen generations" was a Big Lie on the same level as The Eternal Jew. It was conclusively destroyed as a legal concept by the High Court of Australia. One judge described the removal of at risk (of being murdered and raped) half caste children as a "moral obligation."

Just in case you have not noticed, Australia is considered one of the best countries in the world to live in. Got that? Those dirty British colonial invaders did something very right. Billions of people in the world sit around trying to figure out how they can get into Australia, but all you can see is negativity.
Get a grip. You must have had a "progressive" education where some socialist teacher thumped into your head that white people are the biggest bastards in the world, and you swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker.

When those same "progressives" turn Australia into a battlefield through multiculturalism, and you need to find somewhere else decent to live, my advice to you is to head somewhere where they speak English. The English had the knack of creating viable and stable countries, everywhere they went.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 3:08:27 AM
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"The English had the knack of creating viable and stable countries, everywhere they went."
Right on LEGO.
Not only that, you only have to look at the chaos in most of the countries which have gotten back independence. Some people don't know when they are well off.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 7:17:04 AM
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Yprgb,

Isn't hyperbole fun ? "New diseases killed hundreds of thousands, greedy squatters did the same."

How many people do you think were in Australia, with all its regular droughts, by 1788 ? I'd suggest a sort of steady-state range of 150,000 to 250,000 max, across the entire country, with drought as the conditioning factor.

In very extreme times, say once-in-a-1000-year drought (one lasted across most of Australia for 32 years, about 800 years ago), I'd hazard a guess that the population was confined to coastal waterways and dropped overall below perhaps 50,000, each group jealously guarding its precious resources, to be built up over the following generations slowly, as the fortunate survivors in those favoured areas, colonised areas further inland.

Look at the current drought in Queensland: apart from recent rains, it had been going for four or five years, across a million square kilometres. Think through what might have happened in the remote past: animals would have moved out looking for feed, the older and very much younger ones died early on, so people would have had to scatter to follow them, also leaving the old and very young behind. If the movers weren't welcome in neighbouring groups' territory, even the fittest may not have survived. Hence, by the way, marriage between groups, as an insurance policy.

Again, do you have evidence of 'hundreds of thousands' ? It rolls off the tongue so easily, doesn't it - 'hundreds of thousands'. What bastards whites are, so powerful, so evil. Oops, except you, of course. Thank god for you, you're so different, so good.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 9:14:29 AM
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