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Take X out of Xmas? : Comments

By Rowan Forster, published 31/12/2015

Does Monk's purported inclusivity extend to embracing a traditional, religious, faith-inspired, Bible-based, Nativity-based, Christ-centred Christmas?

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Dear Mr Opinion,

Dr Barbara Thiering in her book, "Jesus The Man:
A New Interpretation from the Dead Sea Scrolls,"
gives the date of Jesus's birth as March 7th B.C.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 2 January 2016 8:19:13 PM
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Dear Mr. Opinion,

If the records we have are correct, then Jesus was born during one of the three annual pilgrimages to Jerusalem, which are:

Passover: end of March - April
Pentecost: May-June
Tabernacles: September-October

(Julian dates vary each year as the festival is determined by the lunar calendar)

There are different scriptural and astronomical speculations in support of all three.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:01:04 AM
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Yes around March-April. I recall during my undergrad Arts studies that the consensus amongst historians was April. And of course everyone knows that Xmas was derived from the Roman's Saturnalia festival which was all about feasting, gift-giving etc.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 3 January 2016 8:32:49 AM
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When I first saw the title I thought it was a protest at the using of
the XMAS usage. I have in previous times seen such objections.
In this case it was not but I thought an explanation of the use of X
might be of interest.
Xmas is a telegraphic abbreviation.
Mry Xmas es a hpy ny is another
73 is Best wishes
88 is love es kisses
the "es" is I believe French for "and" and is shorter in morse than and.

They were first used as far as I know by telegraph operators on the
US railways.
There are many others but over the years I have lost my list.
There are Q codes used for operational radio usage but the X etc codes
were quite informal but in very widespread use.
They were a big advantage when hundreds of thousands of mry xmas
telegrams were sent each year.

Anyway hpy ny 2 all.
dit dit
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:33:54 PM
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runner writes, "The end of the book is very clear. Yep the deniers will fight to erase Christ from every place that reminds them of their need of salvation."

Need of salvation? My, my, my, that threadbare furfy of being born in sin gets no rest, does it? The "scheme of things" as atheists see it, has no room for such dismal, melancholy self-flagellation. Does the martyrdom of original sin enhance your life, runner? Do you rejoice at the denigration of your life's worth, at the trashing of the act of love and joy that your parents engaged in to create you, that instead of a beautiful new human they created a soul-less bundle of sin?

This time of year celebrates the winter solstice and has been celebrated for millennia before the Abrahamic myths found currency. It matters not one whit how much doctrine and dogma, how much fantasy, allegory and legend, how many plagiarised moral injunctions, how lachrymose and hand-wringingly reluctant are the threats of eternal damnation, not one whit! I'll wager that when it comes to volumes of arcane commentary and concordance, Hinduism and Buddhism would give Christianity a run for its money.

"Meanwhile they will be apologist for Islam and every other evil on the planet."
Turning back on you a common query you and your ilk pose to atheists; What if you're wrong, runner. WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG?
Ignore the question at your peril. Atheists are unfased by such questions.
Posted by Pogi, Monday, 4 January 2016 12:58:49 AM
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