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Israel's occupation is morally indefensible : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 17/12/2015

There are four ethical theories - Kantian, utilitarian, virtue-based, and religious - that demonstrate the lack of moral foundation in the continuing occupation.

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Dear LEGO,

I also could not care less about the so-called "Palestinians" (if they even exist), nor do I believe that Alon does.

The point here is, if you steal - you become a thief; if you kill - you become a murderer; if you rape - you become a rapist, etc. Anyone who truly loves Israel doesn't want it to become the like of those.

Regarding the Aristotelian theory of morality, the safety of the people of Israel is in fact hampered by the occupation, not helped by it. Alon touched on this already: large forces of the IDF are occupied in patrolling the West-Bank and in road-blocks there in order to protect the settlers. Those forces lose in six ways: loss of training; loss of blood; loss of equipment due to wear and damages and no budget left for new equipment; loss of international support; loss of morals; and loss of morale. In turn, the loss of morals, as the soldiers return home, increases the crime-rate within Israel, including reckless-driving and domestic-violence and further reduces the safety of the people of Israel. It also tears the Israeli society apart.

Israelis would be safer without the West Bank, when if attacked they can respond swiftly and decisively, better trained, equipped, unrestrained, resolute and confident, without international opposition and without having to worry about civilian casualties.

Regarding the LEGO theory of morality, why don't you serve your interests yourself rather than throw all the dirty work on the Jews?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 17 December 2015 5:50:23 PM
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The high blood-pressure / zero blood-pressure in the blood-soaked deserts is not about today , it's about dodging hell on the way to heaven . Vikings ,Celts and everyone did it because you're alive for 20-90 years and dead for a bit more. Hell is hell.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 17 December 2015 6:09:03 PM
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You are obviously not a Muslim, Yuyutsu, if you think that raping a woman makes you are rapist. Muslim men have "uncontrollable lusts" and it is entirely the responsibility of all women to ensure that they do nothing that would put encourage men to rape them. Because if they are raped, it is their own fault, and they cop the punishment. The Muslim man was innocent. He was just doing what comes naturally.

And killing somebody does not automatically make you a murderer. Self defence is legal excuse, and it has always been accepted that killing on behalf of the King, the Parliament, or for any legal authority charged with protecting the people, is not murder. They even give you medals for killing people.

Muslims have ethnically cleansed every race, creed and culture in the Middle East. Stealing from thieves is poetic justice. Killing killers is poetic justice. And ethnically cleansing the world's foremost ethnic cleaners from the lands they conquered, is poetic justice.

The Arabs had to chance to negotiate, but they refused. They wanted war and they got it. They lost. Taking territory and resources from the enemies who are uncompromising in their intent to exterminate you and your people, is a practical military necessity, and what smart people do. The Israelis are smart. I like smart people. The Muslim Arabs are crazy religious nutcases who can run around the rest of the Middle east killing themselves and everybody else, and creating dysfunctional countries that a problem for the rest of the world. I don't care about them. As a matter of fact I despise them. If the Israelis are their enemies, then I am a friend of Israel.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 18 December 2015 7:51:17 PM
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There is no morality greater than "you threaten mine, you get stomped". Murder is the only Palestinian industry now that Abbas and enablers have cleansed all traditional Christian and Jewish influences.
Posted by McCackie, Saturday, 19 December 2015 6:22:58 AM
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Yuyutsu
"The Israelies. Would be better off without the West Bank."

That doesn't take into account the secret tunnels the Palestianians are always
building which make Israel safer having the Buffer Zone of the West Bank.

In the last military clash between the two, the Israellies found no less than 15tunnels
that had been built by the Palestianians trying to gain entry into Israel.
Posted by CHERFUL, Sunday, 20 December 2015 9:18:06 PM
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Dear Cherful,

Israel is strong. For Israel, the small Palestinians are just a nuisance rather than a major problem, whereas for the Palestinians, Israel is a major problem: without the world's objection and without its own civilians living in between, Israel can wipe them all in less than an hour.

So in the last round Israel was surprised by this new weapon of tunnels, but it will not be surprised again by that same weapon: since then, Israel already developed the most sophisticated sonar equipment to detect tunnels as well as superior methods for destroying them - so tunnels are practically a thing of the past!

By the way, the strongest weapon that the Palestinians currently have, is the diplomatic weapon.

The real problems that Israel is facing is from within. A small bunch of Arabs cannot destroy it, but the loss of morals will bring with it the loss of the will to live.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 21 December 2015 1:45:29 AM
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