Good luck getting the morally bankrupt to find the moral imperative in the long abandoned two state solution and living in peace and harmony, with their genetic cousins!

As they say in the classics don't give up your day job, or indeed hold your breath!
Rhrosty.

Thank you Alon, thank you, thank you!

All so true, oh Cry, the Beloved Country.

What a load of nonsense !
The Koran claims any land previously occupied by moslems, even if
ejected by the locals, remains moslem land forever.

This is why the Arabs claim Israel is an occupier in Palestine.
It is a nonsense of course, the Jews lived in that land some
thousands of years before the invading Arabs arrived.

Just because the Romans drove them out & then they came back later
and the area was occupied by Jews and Christians until the Arabs
invaded and killed most of the jews and Christians, a project that
is still in progress.
To eject the Arabs was the object of the Crusades.

The moslems occupied all of Sicily, part of Italy & all of
Spain and occupied Southern France.
They also penetrated up to Czechoslovakia.
Of course in more recent times they were defeated at the gates of
Vienna by Austrian and Polish Armies.
Expect them now to try and apply the same principle to those ares of Europe.

Alon

Your argument applies equally to all occupations of all lands by all states.

And of course no mention of the rejection of the 2 state solutions in the past by the Arabs. Alan knows that most muslims don't believe that Israel has a right to exist. They reinvent history and use the sleazy lefist media and kids as shields in attempt to win the sympathy of the gullible.

You forgot the Aristotelian theory of morality, Alon ben Meir, as well as the LEGO theory of morality.

Aristotle said that the highest morality is the safety of your own people. On that score Israel is about as moral as you can get. The Jews are fed up of being persecuted by everybody else, they have returned to their own country, and they are calling the shots in their own country now. Every Jew in the world knows where they can flee to when they are being persecuted again. That will soon apply to the Jews in Europe fleeing Muslim persecution in Europe.

Hopefully, the Jews may even provide a refuge for the stupid Christian Eurotrash fleeing Europe, when the Muzzies finally take over Europe.

Then there is the LEGO theory of morality. That is, the damned Muslims have ethnically cleansed everybody else in the Middle East, so it is about time that somebody else returned the compliment.

Anyhoo, I don't like Palestinians because they hijacked our aircraft and made us there enemies. What the Israelis do to Palestinians, I could not care less.

Go Israel and the IDF.

Dear LEGO,

I also could not care less about the so-called "Palestinians" (if they even exist), nor do I believe that Alon does.

The point here is, if you steal - you become a thief; if you kill - you become a murderer; if you rape - you become a rapist, etc. Anyone who truly loves Israel doesn't want it to become the like of those.

Regarding the Aristotelian theory of morality, the safety of the people of Israel is in fact hampered by the occupation, not helped by it. Alon touched on this already: large forces of the IDF are occupied in patrolling the West-Bank and in road-blocks there in order to protect the settlers. Those forces lose in six ways: loss of training; loss of blood; loss of equipment due to wear and damages and no budget left for new equipment; loss of international support; loss of morals; and loss of morale. In turn, the loss of morals, as the soldiers return home, increases the crime-rate within Israel, including reckless-driving and domestic-violence and further reduces the safety of the people of Israel. It also tears the Israeli society apart.

Israelis would be safer without the West Bank, when if attacked they can respond swiftly and decisively, better trained, equipped, unrestrained, resolute and confident, without international opposition and without having to worry about civilian casualties.

Regarding the LEGO theory of morality, why don't you serve your interests yourself rather than throw all the dirty work on the Jews?

The high blood-pressure / zero blood-pressure in the blood-soaked deserts is not about today , it's about dodging hell on the way to heaven . Vikings ,Celts and everyone did it because you're alive for 20-90 years and dead for a bit more. Hell is hell.

You are obviously not a Muslim, Yuyutsu, if you think that raping a woman makes you are rapist. Muslim men have "uncontrollable lusts" and it is entirely the responsibility of all women to ensure that they do nothing that would put encourage men to rape them. Because if they are raped, it is their own fault, and they cop the punishment. The Muslim man was innocent. He was just doing what comes naturally.

And killing somebody does not automatically make you a murderer. Self defence is legal excuse, and it has always been accepted that killing on behalf of the King, the Parliament, or for any legal authority charged with protecting the people, is not murder. They even give you medals for killing people.

Muslims have ethnically cleansed every race, creed and culture in the Middle East. Stealing from thieves is poetic justice. Killing killers is poetic justice. And ethnically cleansing the world's foremost ethnic cleaners from the lands they conquered, is poetic justice.

The Arabs had to chance to negotiate, but they refused. They wanted war and they got it. They lost. Taking territory and resources from the enemies who are uncompromising in their intent to exterminate you and your people, is a practical military necessity, and what smart people do. The Israelis are smart. I like smart people. The Muslim Arabs are crazy religious nutcases who can run around the rest of the Middle east killing themselves and everybody else, and creating dysfunctional countries that a problem for the rest of the world. I don't care about them. As a matter of fact I despise them. If the Israelis are their enemies, then I am a friend of Israel.

There is no morality greater than "you threaten mine, you get stomped". Murder is the only Palestinian industry now that Abbas and enablers have cleansed all traditional Christian and Jewish influences.

Yuyutsu
"The Israelies. Would be better off without the West Bank."

That doesn't take into account the secret tunnels the Palestianians are always
building which make Israel safer having the Buffer Zone of the West Bank.

In the last military clash between the two, the Israellies found no less than 15tunnels
that had been built by the Palestianians trying to gain entry into Israel.

Dear Cherful,

Israel is strong. For Israel, the small Palestinians are just a nuisance rather than a major problem, whereas for the Palestinians, Israel is a major problem: without the world's objection and without its own civilians living in between, Israel can wipe them all in less than an hour.

So in the last round Israel was surprised by this new weapon of tunnels, but it will not be surprised again by that same weapon: since then, Israel already developed the most sophisticated sonar equipment to detect tunnels as well as superior methods for destroying them - so tunnels are practically a thing of the past!

By the way, the strongest weapon that the Palestinians currently have, is the diplomatic weapon.

The real problems that Israel is facing is from within. A small bunch of Arabs cannot destroy it, but the loss of morals will bring with it the loss of the will to live.