If it's up to society to decide, then that would be reflected in the laws that have passed by our societal representatives would it not?

As a society we have already decided what is legal and what is not and what our societal responsibilities are. We have voted on it.

By the way, 'in vitro' literally means 'in glass' or outside of an organism. You may be thinking of 'in vivo' or even 'in situ'. Just sayin'.

"Well clearly Agronomist prefers the ad hom to actually addressing any substantive issues, so (s)he has nothing of value to say."

Nothing I wrote was ad hom. You failed to address any of the issues in the post I had made, but instead demanded I give you satisfaction in answering a leading question. It is clear from this thread that you are not much interested in the answers as you are in telling everyone else how they should live their lives.

On this topic, you are frankly wrong. Society in Australia has addressed the topic of abortion and developed a position that is reflective in the current set of laws. In fact different societies in Australia have come to different positions as evidence by the differences between state laws.

The fact that you personally don't like the laws society has settled on is no reason to demand that others should share your opinion.

Agronomist

You have confused state with society and this factual error completely invalidates everything you just said. If "society" agreed with you, there would be no need to threaten everyone with imprisonment and rape to force "society" to obey, would there, you fool?

Tell it to mhaze, Jardine, (s)hes the one proposing criminalising womens choices in the name of 'society'.

Agronomist is right Mhaze. Australia has already decided that abortion should be safe and legal in our country, many years ago. So your points are mute really.
You can of course have your own views on the subject, as we all can.
The difference is that my views are well in the majority.

There is a world of difference between a very disabled 24 week gestation baby , and a similarly disabled baby who is 24 weeks old. The first can't survive outside the uterus, while the second obviously has. If the first baby is induced and born, and then dies, it is saved from a pain-filled lifetime that the second is now enduring.

I have seen how some of these babies and their families suffer, often for years, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy...