Susie and her likes callous heartless response to the murderering of babies is probably the strongest arguement in favour of abortion. Their only real arguement is to demonise those with a conscience.

I'd say at the moment of conception, mhaze.

<<Just decide at what point a healthy embryo becomes a human life.>>

But that's beside the point.

Mhaze, in the medical world, a foetus is considered viable after 24 weeks gestation, so I would say that this would be a reasonable age to say it is a 'baby'. It is always a human at all stages of development.
I did view one of those awful planned parenthood videos and they made no sense in that they had been cut and pasted poorly...so it would show exactly the lies they wanted to tell. Any basically medical trained person could easily spot the discrepancies.

Look, no one likes to see or be involved in abortion. It is truly an awful procedure and one I did not participate in professionally. I was at the business end in the labour wards.
However, I was involved in several late-term 'inductions' of disabled babies, and believe me, everyone in the ward was crying with the parents.

These are never easy decisions for all involved, but it is the parents and doctors decision, and no one else's ...including any high and mighty 'ethicists'.

I would be overjoyed if there were no abortions at all and I think we should work towards that goal rather than look to punish women(and their partners of course) who choose not to continue with an unwanted pregnancy. It should be a medical decision and never a criminal one.

Your age-old suggestion of making women (and their partners of course) criminally responsible for abortion would drag us back into the last century and bring with it far more problems than there are now, so that will never happen

'in the medical world, a foetus is considered viable after 24 weeks gestation' Susie means in her medical world. The Nazis also did not consider Jews as human. Changing names to disguise simple truth means zit.

We know what happened, when the Catholics intensively lobbied George W Bush and he cut funding to family planning clinics in Africa. Some women were so desperate, they left their babies out for jackals at night. If you want less abortions, so improve family planning options and education for women. Even that however mind offend the Catholics, as condoms are still a dirty word for Rome. Even women who have had 8 children and plead for their tubes to be tied, are denied so by the Catholics, who control many third world hospitals.

A fetus is not a person until it has a human brain and a functioning human brain does not exist until about week 24. So below that, it is neither a baby, a person or a child, as the anti abortion lobby keep claiming.

If people insist on wanting to force women to have all these unwanted babies, so put your money where your mouth is and feed and educate them etc. But no, the Vatican hordes it billions.

suseonline,

"I did view one of those awful planned parenthood videos and they made no sense in that they had been cut and pasted poorly...so it would show exactly the lies they wanted to tell."

You assert they are lies but even Planned Parenthood aren't saying that they weren't selling, albeit at cost, body parts. I think, when you watched those videos, you saw what you hoped was the truth rather than the truth.

If, at 24 weeks, the embryo has become human and has attained the rights that attach to being human then they should receive the most basic of those rights - the right to not be arbitrarily killed. Anyone who kills a human without good cause is a murderer. Unless you think that simply deciding you no longer want to be a mother is good cause, anyone who kills or helps in the killing of a 24 week old fetus is a murderer and should be treated as such.

That is, if you think the embryo attains personhood at 24 weeks. Otherwise insert into the above whatever period you think such personhood is attained