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Burqas, biology and the Islamic reformation : Comments

By Phil Dye, published 3/12/2015

Progressive Muslim women from Australia may be perfect to lead the way to forge a 'New-Testament' Islam.

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I don't give a fig if any woman wants to wear a Burqa, always providing it is solely her choice and not that of a controlling other.

Not all that long ago, a christian lady wouldn't go to church unless wearing a traditional scarf. And some of the early esoteric christian traditional garb replete with head coverings and veils, wouldn't look out of place in a mosque.

Moreover, early christian Leaders were a bloodthirsty lot, often seen as warrior bishops and popes, a the head of this or that medieval christian army.

WE haven't moved very far, with some folks still believing, God will sanctify the taking of a human life, if certain pre conditions, beyond basic self defense, are met?

That said, some women and some blokes only look "desireable" with a bag, bucket or full face bike helmet, over their head?

Does the term, a face only a mother could love, comes to mind, as does, something that resembles the north end of a south bound camel, and a good reason to hide it?

How would the average muslim handle a nude beach?

With say a full face covering; and or, standing to attention permanently ?

Pole vaulting could take on a whole new and potentially embarrassing. waitawhile new meaning and lots of crossed legs?

Seriously, we come into this world wearing nothing but a very disturbed facial expression (not this place again?) and if that's good enough for the creator, so also should it be for the rest of us, who often view his creation with undying shame because of our mental attitudes. [Moreover we can take nothing with us when we leave and the land we thought was ours claims us a its!]

And our attitudes are only ever the result of the thoughts we care to entertain/allow in our minds.

Get over your medieval maxims and yourselves; and welcome to the 21st. century.
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 4 December 2015 8:34:33 AM
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Toni,

"....saffron togas etc"

I'd be hopin' tha' yer not includin' th' safron kilt in that lot.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 4 December 2015 10:29:28 AM
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579,
Who is TTb? If you cannot type ttbn, you are hardly a force to be reckoned with.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 4 December 2015 2:50:19 PM
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Mr Opinion, there are a number of theories about the Burqa & 579 knows nothing about any of them because he is a communist & therefore knows nothing about anything.

1, the Burqa is VERY similar to what Arabian men wear in the desert to suit the climate. this would have been the case in the Arabian Peninsula before islam, before christianity, before Judaism when the Tribesmen of Arabia were Pagans & it is still traditional Arabian dress today.

2, After Islam arrived the:-

"rightly guided" caliphate ended with the passing of Ali, the fourth of them, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon them all. The first four Caliphs after the Prophet Muhammad are known as the Rightly Guided Caliphs (Rāshidūn); Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and 'Ali.

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-the-Rightly-Guided-Caliphs-Rashudin-caliphs-called-so

These Sheiks took to grabbing any woman for the Harem that LOOKED attractive to them so ordinary muslims took to hiding their wives & daughters from the Sheik.

Your right about China too BTW.

@ RobJ, Is Mise, 579, laxspirate, Tony Lavis & Phil Dye, no reply so that means you MUST have agreed with my earlier comment.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Friday, 4 December 2015 8:52:29 PM
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imacentristmoderate

”RobJ, Is Mise, 579, laxspirate, Tony Lavis & Phil Dye, no reply so that means you MUST have agreed with my earlier comment .... [among others?]... Islamic reformation WILL fail.”

Patience, mon vieux. Life is short, too many unexamined assumptions behind your scattergun questions.

There is, you may have noticed, a vast history of ideas from which we lucky dip to form our particular individual profile of hits and misses, errors and biases.

I bring to bear on your claim to omniscience that there is no single coherent theory of cultural evolution or transmission that has perfect predictive power over future contingencies. Nassim Nicholas Taleb’s The Black Swan is a cautionary tale about predictive hubris, bringing prophecy perilously close to profligacy.

Who, even 100 years or so before the event, predicted the Protestant Reformation, the abolition of slavery, the Internet or the discovery of DNA? Sleep on. I have an affinity with David Deutsch’s beginning of infinity in terms of human creativity.
Posted by lasxpirate, Friday, 4 December 2015 11:57:11 PM
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//I'd be hopin' tha' yer not includin' th' safron kilt in that lot.//

Of course not. Kilts don't make people look silly, they make people look awesome.

I was introduced to the saffron kilt fairly late in life, at a piping competition where an Irish-Australian band appeared (oddly enough, playing Highland pipes - but I guess Uillean pipes aren't an instrument for a marching band, although they do sound even nicer than Highland pipes). Their nice orange kilts and green jackets certainly stood out from the black jacketed and tartan kilt wearing bands.

I'm a big fan of non-bifurcated male leg garments. They are more practical, more comfortable and more stylish. Certainly better than trousers. So let us celebrate their awesomeness with a nice sing-along:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2fizeoT22g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8x39dxgPiU

Kilts are also safe from the injunction against medieval clothing - they're post medieval. So wear your kilt with pride, and more power to your elbow if it's orange.

//RobJ, Is Mise, 579, laxspirate, Tony Lavis & Phil Dye, no reply so that means you MUST have agreed with my earlier comment.//

I'd explain to you about false syllogisms but I don't think you'd be bright enough to grasp it. Suffice to say that no reply might just mean that people are ignoring you and hoping you'll go away, which is what people generally do when faced with people who couldn't see sanity with the Hubble telescope but who seem harmless start ranting in public.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 4 December 2015 11:58:19 PM
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