>Every time that feminists point out that the patriarchy sends men to war, not women, we get the oh so predictable White Feather Brigade response.

>We hear a lot about men being devastated with shame when those nasty harpies handed them the dreaded feather in public. Perhaps a lot were … if so, they were idiots.

>One example of women pressuring men to go to war does not prove anything – >Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 2:49:46 AM

Killarney, you wrote that the men who felt SHAME were IDIOTS. Is that not derogatory?

Is that not the very same tactic that is being tried in this very day and age. (shaming)

>Emmeline Pankhurst also declared her support for the war effort and began to demand military conscription for men (which was not introduced until 1916).

>Shaming men into political or military action is not unique to the tactics used by the women of wartime Britain. The idea carries all the way back to ancient times and is evidenced by the comical yet poignant depiction put forth by Aristophanes in Lysistrata. In World War I alone, both a women’s contingent in Russia and in the United States utilized the same tactics to sway men into military service. It is the timing and momentum of “The White Feather Brigade” and the anti-masculine sentiment which was attached to the “feathering” that ties this wartime activity to the feminist movement.

Killarney please note,;

Shaming men happened even in Ancient times. So it was not a one off as you try to dismiss it.

By October of 1914, Christabel Pankhurst was touring America in an effort to convince her audience to enter the War with the Allies (Mitchell 50). When the first Russian Revolution took place, Emmeline Pankhurst journeyed to Russia to dissuade them from “retiring” from the War (Pankhurst, Sylvia 594).

I should also add that the reason for the white feather brigade was too ENCOURAGE men to enlist.

Men were also resistant to the idea of going to war, Why else would the politicians introduce compulsory conscription?

Sylvia Pankhurst actively campaigned against the war and became estranged from her mother over her stance. There were numerous women's peace groups throughout the world during WWI - including the Women's Peace Army in Australia and the Women's Peace Party in US - and at least half the suffragettes in Britain campaigned against the war.

Well over 1,000 women from 16 nations, on both sides of the war, attended the International Congress of Women at The Hague in April 1915 to protest the war and call for a peaceful end to the conflict. The congress initiated The Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, which is still active today in 37 countries.

'It is the timing and momentum of “The White Feather Brigade” and the anti-masculine sentiment which was attached to the “feathering” that ties this wartime activity to the feminist movement.'

Except that the feminist movement is NOT anti-masculine and never was. That's the most overused anti-feminist trope in existence and is typical of the saying that a lie repeated often enough eventually passes for truth. The women's groups mentioned above, which all campaigned against the war and conscription, were all feminist.

Shaming men into going to war is a purely patriarchal method of psychological warfare. Indeed, it's the antithesis of feminism.

Posted by Killarney, Saturday, 12 December 2015 5:25:39 AM

So on one hand we have a group of women promoting war, and on the other hand another group of women protesting against war.

>Except that the feminist movement is NOT anti-masculine and never was.
Posted by Killarney, Saturday, 12 December 2015 5:25:39 AM

Yet Patriarchy gets blamed for a lot of things.

When men challenge and disagree with feminist ideology and dogma, they get labeled as being 'misogynistic'.

I could post the usual quotes, from the old school feminists. But a few new subtle put downs are now appearing such as

manspreading
mansplaining

There was a hashtag #killmen that was being used by feminist group until that was outed.

Dahpne Patai, Heterohobia,
Who Stole Femnism.
Lying a Room of One's Own.

When I read George Orwell's 'Animal Farm" I cannot help but think of how this story seem to be so similar to how Feminism is behaving.

WollyB

‘When men challenge and disagree with feminist ideology and dogma, they get labeled as being 'misogynistic'.’

That depends on the nature of the criticism. If the criticism is fair, feminists respond with fair responses. If the criticism is based on ‘feminazi’ rhetoric about women taking over the world or enslaving men, then ‘misogynistic’ labels are appropriate.

‘I could post the usual quotes, from the old school feminists. But a few new subtle put downs are now appearing such as

manspreading
mansplaining’

Are these simply ‘put downs’ of men or are they identifying common behaviours that men engage in to dominate and intimidate women?

I have often had to deal with men ‘manspreading’ on public transport, forcing me to shrink into an involuntary reduced space. And I have often had to deal with ‘mansplaining’ from men, which dictates to me about gender experience – everything from the evolutionary biological ‘fact’ that men need a lot more sex and many more sexual partners than women do, to the socio-biological ‘fact’ that feminists are just ugly women who can’t get a man.

As for #killallmen, no one has been able to identify who or what created this hashtag. All indicators point to the 4chan hoaxers, who set up provocative, politically incorrect hashtags to attract clickbait, while being able to remain anonymous. Genuine feminists had nothing to gain from setting up a hashtag that simply validates all the MRA hate-rhetoric directed at them.