Hi Runner, sorry it has taken me so long to respond. Due to science I understand the planet is round, and rotates around the sun. Due to these scientific facts it means I am on a different time zone to you, and thus I get up after you, by about 2 or 3 hours.

Now I know you won't understand this because you believe the world is flat and only about 6000 years old. I can't explain how it all works in the limited space available here.

You stated some scientists were or are creationists, true, they use their rational brain to do science and rely (because there is absolutely no proof) on blind faith in a "creator" which does not mean their science is somehow wrong.

Science is tested by many means and is often corrected over time, faith is just that, faith. There is no rational side to it, mainly built on guilt, fear, ignorance, power and control. If you want to spend your life living according to some made up deity, well that's up to you, but that does not give you the right to attack people who understand a field which has, fortunately for you, benefits from the discoveries they create.

Your use of a computer and any and all benefits science has created over history makes you the ultimate hypocrite, what has religion provided other than blind faith, oh that's right, fear, repression, exploitation, hatred, slavery, torture, murder and division of people's across the world. You just conveniently ignore this don't you!

Talk about a race to the bottom, no wonder people see the church and all that religion represents for what it really is, nothing useful for those of a rational mind.

Keep ranting, your hatred defines you and your religious faith ensures no enlightenment for you is possible. Sad.

Hi Geoff of Perth,

If the earth was round, and went around the sun which stood still, [when we can all see the sun coming up in the morning and going down at night, so it obviously moves], how would you explain God's stopping of the sun so that Joshua had 36 hours of daylight to slaughter his enemies ?! How else could that be explained ?

I love 'well, how else ... ' arguments :)

Cheers,

Joe

Hi Loudmouth, yes I agree, arguing is such fun.

Joshua and his 36 hours, like Runner, are just confused and obviously irrational, unfortunately they just didn't and don't seem to care!

Too bad, so sad.

Cheers Geoff

Loudmouth,

further to my last, if "God" did give Joshua his 36 hours we rational people know, based on science the atmosphere would collapse and the sudden exposure to deadly radiation would certainly kill his enemies, but unfortunately also Joshua and every other living thing on the planet. "Believers" of course don't think about these facts and therefore the good old book is true and we non believers are obviously ignorant, go figure.

Religion is like Archaeology, take the Pyramids of Giza as an example. Archaeologists tell us, with little real evidence of support, that the Pyramids were built using wooden and bronze tools, they used earth ramps to move the blocks into place (all 1 million of them) and that is what we are expected to believe. Then there is the other camp, engineers, geologists etc who have show conclusively the Sphinx has water erosion which could only have occurred over a huge period of time, circa 7 to 12 thousand years, the so called sarcophagus in the great pyramid clearly shows it was hollowed out (it's solid granite) using ultra sonic drilling beyond our current abilities today. If earth mounds were used to move the blocks, the earth mounds would have been bigger than the pyramids themselves.

Like the blind faith in religion and its texts, Egyptology should also alert us to the dangers of "just believing" I for one like evidence and the safety of constantly reviewing the facts. You can't do this with people who have been indoctrinated into religion, their faith does not allow it.

Cheers Geoff

Geoff of Perth. If runner has problems, they are minimal compared to yours.
You seriously put forward the ridiculous article about the “hiatus” by a closed- minded climate fraud promoter, who refers to those who have a sensible factual outlook as “contrarians”.

You are in a bad way, Geoff.. Global warming stopped in 1997, at the very time when the fraud promoters said it would be continued by the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere. The science on the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere needs rethinking. Murry Salby is most likely right. The temperature governs the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere, it is not the CO2 which governs the temperature. We know that warming precedes the increase in CO2, so it makes sense. The agw fraud promoters have to suppress sense, at all costs, so Salby was severely punished by Macquarie University, which is infested by fraud promoters.
How about having a bit of sense, Geoff? Before you tip over the edge.

Geoff of Perth on Saturday, 28 November 2015 6:03:55 PM referred to runner as mentally disturbed. That is bad form. We do not know each other personally on this forum and we disagree greatly. However, we all are human and deserve respect. One can disagree with runner and find his positions unsustainable. However, one should argue with what he says not make judgments on his mental condition. I am not a fan of runner's opinions, but he is a human being. All human beings should be entitled to respect and courtesy.