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Three facts about climate change : Comments

By Michael Kile, published 20/11/2015

With all the headline-grabbing alarmism, how can one form a view on the myriad alleged threats posed by climate change?

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Not human caused , that could be technically right. It is caused by burning fossil fuels, everybody with a head knows that.
There is probably other things that don’t cause climate change. To pick on people don’t cause climate change is probably to narrow. Maybe we could say humans instigated Climate Change, but really coal did it.
It’s not our fault that nature has been compromised to the point of atmospheric change is happening, if it wasn’t for coal and oil this mess would not be happening. So that is the cause of it all not humans.
Why should humans get the blame for everything that goes wrong any way. If it wasn’t for that being there for a start it would not have happened. So don’t blame us.
Posted by 579, Monday, 23 November 2015 7:03:11 AM
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Leo, ExxonMobil is being investigated in relation to fraud. The Attorney General of New York State has issued a subpoena demanding research and communications that ExxonMobil have been involved in since 1977. Inside Climate News, The Los Angeles Times and Union of Concerned Scientists have provided a series of articles which investigate a range of matters that include interviews, film clips, documentation and quotes.
Scientists working for ExxonMobil in the 1970s and 1980s held a consensus view in relation to climate change.

The very nature of most comments you make Leo; are abusive and provide not a skerrick of scientific evidence. You need to provide data and references when discussing science. Semantics count for nothing.
The numerous experiments showing the relationship between CO2 taking in warmth from infrared radiated long waves has been proven over and over. You deny basic physics and chemistry. The foundation of deniers does not have a scientifically proven fundamental premise on which to base commentary. In any discussion just saying something is wrong is meaningless without any evidence.

You might find this interesting Leo, it is a very recent paper in relation to pingos off the Yamal Peninsula.

http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/f0183-leaking-pingos-can-explode-under-the-sea-in-the-arctic-as-well-as-on-land/

https://cage.uit.no/news/methane-feeds-subsea-ice-mounds-off-siberia/

The CIA is apparently involved with your conspiracy as well.
Quote:
"Mankind’s relationship with the natural world is aggravating these problems and is a potential source of crisis itself. Last year was the warmest on record, and this year is on track to be even warmer."
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And:
"Extreme weather, along with public policies affecting food and water supplies, can worsen or create humanitarian crises. Of most immediate concern, sharply reduced crop yields in multiple places simultaneously could trigger a shock in food prices with devastating effect, especially in already fragile regions such as Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia. Compromised access to food and water greatly increases the prospect for famine and deadly epidemics."

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2015-speeches-testimony/brennan-remarks-at-csis-global-security-forum-2015
Posted by ant, Monday, 23 November 2015 8:13:57 AM
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ant

What does it matter to you whether other people share your religious opinions?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Monday, 23 November 2015 1:07:15 PM
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Eminent climate scientist Robert Carter pointed out last year, and the situation remains unchanged:
“Within error bounds, Average Global Temperature has not increased since 1995 and has declined since 2002, despite an increase in atmospheric CO2 of 8% since 1995.”
http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/10-facts-and-10-myths-about-climate.html

The ant, or flea as he is more appropriately known, never changes his baseless assertion of human caused global warming.
Requested to identify any science which demonstrates any measurable human effect on climate, he comes up with a phenomenon alleged to be caused by global warming. The site to which he refers us says: “ gas eruptions associated with melting permafrost due to global warming”.. There is no reference to human causation of the warming. It is hard to believe that the flea is as stupid as he pretends to be.
He was asked to refer us to science which shows any measurable effect of human emissions on climate, and he responds with this rubbish, and references to a ridiculous investigation into Exxon Mobil’s knowledge of climate science.
There is no science to show that human emissions have a measurable effect on climate. The flea has no basis for his assertions, which are an insult to the intelligence of any reasonable participant in this discussion.
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 23 November 2015 1:43:10 PM
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Leo, you use the standard denier tricks of ad hominem comments, obfuscation and diverting.

Deniers do not have a foundation on which to base their comments, physics and chemistry do not support them. Just saying some or other version of "wrong" is meaningless without the scientific experimentation/data/observation to go with it.

Are you not able to understand this sentence Leo?..."The numerous experiments showing the relationship between CO2 taking in warmth from infrared radiated long waves has been proven over and over."
Also, the origin of CO2 can be found through the isotopes displayed.

Using insult Leo is a clear indication that you are out of your depth; can't find anything useful or relevant to say.

JKJ, Religion relies on faith; whereas, science is based on proving a hypothesis. The fundamental hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change has been proven. A number of science disciplines dovetail together and support anthropogenic climate change.
Posted by ant, Monday, 23 November 2015 2:47:56 PM
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Yes, flea, as pointed out by the climate scientist I quoted above, Robert Carter, “, Average Global Temperature has not increased since 1995 and has declined since 2002, despite an increase in atmospheric CO2 of 8% since 1995.”
So the science you say is repeatedly demonstrated in the laboratory does not work in practice. The climate does not do what the computer models based on that science predict. You understand that, but reject it because of your mental limitations, and your dishonesty, which is the only basis for your fraud promoting. Refer us to some science which has not been proved not to work, or stop wasting everyone’s time with your nonsense.
People are not deniers unless there is something to deny.
You have nothing
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 23 November 2015 3:21:34 PM
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