The flea says:“your reference is old, goes back to 2009”. Yes, flea and it is still valid, current science. The flea refers to science upon which he relies:“John Tyndall in the 1850s and Fourier before him”. Yes, when fed into current computer models it gives invalid results, like predicting warming on the current level of CO2 in the atmosphere, when the empirical result is that global warming stopped 18 years ago. Is your science too old, flea, or are the scientists feeding it into their computers incompetent?

Here is an extract from the flea’s nonsense which is an outright lie:
”Anthropogenic climate change is deadly for many people, it destroys property and businesses” No reference to any facts to justify this statement, just his usual pretence of stupidity, in making false statements. He cannot be stupid enough to believe this.
You have acknowledged that there is no “anthropogenic” climate change, flea, by your failure to reference any science to show any measurable effect of human emissions on climate.
You are a pathetic example of a fraud-backer. No wonder the fraud promoters are losing.
The flea refers to an ARM study but gives no link to it. If it exists, I suppose with his record, he does not want to expose his sources to scrutiny

Leo

My computer has google on it, it is very easy to find references for the ARM study.
You persist with the myth of there not having been any warming since 1998; 2014 was warmer and 2015 has a 95%+ chance of reaching 1C above pre industrial levels.
The trend line from when temperature was first systematically recorded has continued to go up.

You still have not answered the question as to when fraud began, Leo. Arrhenius made predictions at the beginning of the 19 century, was he committing fraud?

When exactly did the fraud you have pushed for a considerable time commence?

Were scientists employed by ExxonMobil committing fraud, Leo?

You offer one reference that you say proves climate change views held by scientists is wrong.

Between 2013 and 2014 there were 24,000 peer reviewed papers published, only a handful from skeptics ( per Powell). Your one reference doesn't stack up very well.

Have the executives of ExxonMobil committed fraud: Leo, Ken Cohen has admitted to what the company is being investigated for.

You keep suggesting lies have been told, and fraud perpetrated but do not offer any evidence.
You won't define when the fraud commenced; you have been caught out in a logical conundrum of your own making.

So, flea, you have no facts or science, in relation to your lie, “Anthropogenic climate change is deadly for many people, it destroys property and businesses”.
Not surprising, it is difficult to come up with facts to verify lies.
You say:“My computer has google on it, it is very easy to find references for the ARM study”
I copied and pasted your description “eleven year ARM study” into google with no result linking to your supposed study.. Why will you not give us the link you say you have, instead of making stupid, misleading remarks.Or are you are simply lying again?
In standard fraud-promoter mode, you refuse to answer pertinent questions, and respond with stupid irrelevant questions. You are the one making the baseless assertions, and need to respond.
I am merely pointing out your baseless position, and making appropriate enquiry of you. You have an irritating way of conveying that you have no sensible, or factual answers, flea.

Geoff of Perth. If runner has problems, they are minimal compared to yours.
You seriously put forward the ridiculous article about the “hiatus” by a closed- minded climate fraud promoter, who has the temerity to refer to those who have a sensible, informed outlook on climate as “contrarians”.

You are in a bad way, Geoff. Global warming ceased in 1997, at the very time when the fraud promoters said it would continue, and be caused by the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere. The science on CO2 in the atmosphere needs rethinking. Murry Salby is most likely right. He says that the temperature governs the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere, it is not the CO2 which governs the temperature. We know that warming precedes the increase in CO2, so it makes sense. The agw fraud promoters have to suppress sense, at all costs, so Salby was severely punished by Macquarie University, which is infested by fraud promoters.
How about having a bit of sense, Geoff? Otherwise you might go over the edge.

A reference to the ARM study, the paper has been hidden behind a pay wall in Nature Journal.

https://www.arm.gov/news/features/post/32853

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150225132103.htm

The first sense reads:

"Scientists have observed an increase in carbon dioxide's greenhouse effect at Earth's surface for the first time. "

Leo, you keep writing about fraud, so questioning is relevant. We both know that you have got yourself in a mess in relation to not being able to answer when the fraud began.

This year a few thousand people died from almost hot bolb conditions, in a number of countries, Hospitals were overrun in Pakistan, India, Cyprus, the Middle East and Japan .
In 2003 20,000 plus people died through being overwhelmed by heat.
It has only been over the last few decades that cars and houses have been washed away by floods on too regular a basis; people have drowned.
The Atacama desert in Chile was flooded earlier in the year with the loss of life at a mining community.

So Leo, scientists have witnessed the impact of radiated infrared in the environment; their peers from ExxonMobil have been proven right. Exxon management has been caught out creating doubt.

Answer questions about the fraud you are saying has happened. You are evading the questions.

Obfuscation and diversion do not work, Leo.

You say, flea: "Scientists have observed an increase in carbon dioxide's greenhouse effect at Earth's surface for the first time. "
So, if this is “the first time”, then up to now, they have relied on laboratory science, and their results were always so very wrong.
You say, flea:” You have got yourself in a mess in relation to not being able to answer when the fraud began.” What an idiotic statement, flea, it is the current perpetration of the fraud which is of concern. We cannot do much about its origin, when Hansen’s organisers selected the hottest day predicted over the selected period during which he was to make his inaugural address, to the senate committee,and overnight they left open the windows of the venue for the address, with the air conditioning turned off.
Next day, the audience sweltered, and this enhanced the effect of Hansen’s disingenuous address on the dangers of global warming.
“ June 23, 1988, in the sweltering heat, Hansen told a U.S. Senate committee he was 99 percent certain that the year’s record temperatures were not the result of natural variation. It was the first time a lead scientist drew a connection between human activities, the growing concentration of atmospheric pollutants, and a warming climate”
http://grist.org/article/a-climate-hero-the-early-years/

So began the climate fraud, the baseless misrepresentation of the human effect on climate, by the disingenuous Hansen.
You say, flea:” Obfuscation and diversion do not work””
Yes you have shown that, you have also demonstrated that stupid assertions, and your lying and dishonest manipulation of information do not work, but you seem unable to give any of it up.