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From Pol Pot to ISIS: the blood never dried : Comments
By John Pilger, published 18/11/2015By most scholarly measure, Bush and Blair's invasion of Iraq in 2003 led to the deaths of at least 700,000 people - in a country that had no history of jihadism.
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 3:19:14 PM
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Hi Steele,
You're missing the point: Stick-Up-The-Arse political commentary like Bilger's never has anywhere to go, only whinges and accusations, much like your own actually: whatever works to shove it up whoever your current Prime Enemy is, usually the stupid Yanks. That's all so easily done: if the Yanks are the Prime Enemy, then whoever is THEIR enemy is now your friend - you take the the path of complete opportunists, or useful idiots. Of course, Bilger has been compiling a vast Guide for Opportunists and Useful Idiots for many decades now, you may have dipped into it. And SUTA politics is the First Lesson: whatever works, shove it up there, no matter who is doing it to your Prime Enemy. Yes, we have a long and very uncertain struggle in front of us. I know what side Bilger will be on, at least for the time being, until Putin tells him to switch. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 4:51:39 PM
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Dear Loudmouth,
I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Just look through the earlier posts. Can you point at even one that attempted to counter Pilger's argument or facts? I can't. Each time you lot come out with the same old playbook and it really does get a bit tiring that reflects your political mindset but does not address anything within the article. Why don't you at least have a crack this time? Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 5:57:02 PM
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SteeleRedux
There are all manner of "facts" - which in your case are assembled according to your anti-Western prejudices. Do you really think your stale left outlook is up to the discussion? You appear to ignore that China and Russia (Putin) are now more rightwing than US Republicans. Pete Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 6:23:37 PM
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Pilger has provided the truth, it is obvious some either don't want to know the truth or they fear it, admitting this truth would not satisfy their cosy lives which ignore the crimes against humanity which are, "so-called" made in our names.
Rhrosty - I think you need to stop watching the Main Stream Media, there is irrefutable proof the U.S. In collusion with NATO backing orchestrated the coup in Ukraine, look up one Victoria Nuland, do the research and you will find the truth. As to the rest of your assertions, sorry but they are just plain wrong, fact checking is not too difficult in the digital age. Is there a solution? I'm not confident, unfortunately as others have alluded to, Pilger provides no advice. Perhaps the US and all of their vassals, which unfortunately includes Australia, should do a 180 in terms of foreign policy, I.e. Get out of the Middle East, or at least treat these sovereign nations as actors which can be negotiated with rather than broken in the typical US hegemonic style. Unfortunately the ME has lots of cheap oil, for how long no one knows, but as long as it is cheap, the west will continue to play cowboy and stamp its feet up and down and demand it is theirs for the taking. Currently the only nation States legally permitted to fight within Syria are Syria and Russia, at the formal invitation of Syria. Australia's involvement is illegal as is everyone else stirring the pot with nothing other than illegitimate claims for "regime change" as if we all have the right to do that! Rational heads will, unfortunately, not prevail. Imagine if ISIS decided to blow up the refinery at Ras Tanura, world economic activity would be gone in weeks, and who would we have to blame, why ourselves of course, but the the likes of Rhrosty and others posting here would not want to believe that, now would they? Posted by Geoff of Perth, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 6:52:52 PM
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This is the best summary of global banking/political power plays I've seen to date. Michael Rivero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltYhHSTeIUo
The facts are that central bankers control the planet because they create from nothing as debt,most of the money for our Govts, individuals and businesses to interact. James Rickards in 'The Death of Money' says every debt based monetary system comes to a point of collapse after 40 yrs because we now need exponentially more debt money today to pay for the debt of yesterday. They have already created more money since 2008 than was created from 1913 to 2008.The money printing has only just begun. Peter Coates please take note. You live in fairy land. Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 7:27:42 PM
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Please ignore our usual resident posers posting purile poppycock in response to a Pilger article.
Yes they do seem to have infested the place of late but at best they are at the top of the bell curve for intelligence and the chances of getting a serious rebuttal to any of your arguments is pretty remote.
Most of what you have put is logical and factual however many of those who have posted here would call themselves Australian they have the Stars and Stripes firmly tattooed over their hearts. The capacity to think independently is screamed down by the desperate need to sustain a world view that America can do no wrong.
My criticism is one that I have leveled on past occasions, you articulate the issue but give no solution, no path forward. If your argument is that the world should have intervened in Cambodia sooner what in form should it have done so? The same with ISIS. It takes a fool not to recognise what the Rumsfeld 'Invasion on the Cheap' has produced. But given that what needs to be done now to halt the killing? It is not something you tend to articulate and I think your articles are poorer for it.