Hi Mhaze, welcome to OLO

We keep telling Arjay and Steelredux that their arguments are a real help to their opponents, because their premises are so over the top that only an Arab could believe them. We have tried to advise them to tone it down a bit, if only for the sake that we would prefer to have opponents who are obviously not just raving lunatics. Fortunately, they have not taken our advice, and they remain our greatest assets.

Please don't be too hard on them.

Vladmir Putin has revealed that 40 countries including the G20 have financed ISIS to over throw Syria and bring chaos to the West. They need more repressive laws to keep us in line when our economies collapse and they start more wars.

Arjay,

Zionist troll here !


Do you actually read the stuff you refer to here.

Putin said that money came FROM 40 countries including SOME G20 countries. But the money wasn't coming from governments of those countries but from private individuals in those countries - the famous moderate muslims presumably.

So the rest of your polemic is rubbish based on a misunderstanding of the facts

Dear LEGO,

Quite to the contrary my friend. As Waleed Ali has so eloquently pointed out it is you and your ilk who are so determinedly following the ISIS game plan and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
http://youtu.be/nxNJLkIkYQM

They want to divide this into them and us, to create division and distrust which is exactly your shtick as well.

LEGO - 5th columnist for ISIS

Well it does have a ring to it which I'm sure you will continue to live up to.

Meanwhile the French President has reaffirmed France's agreement to accept further Syrians fleeing the war in their country. “30,000 refugees will be welcomed over the next two years. Our country has the duty to respect this commitment,”

Makes Morrison's wanting 'majority Christians' when 98% are Muslim look so petty.

Re Steeledux,

I'm always fascinated , when we see someone bang on about being united or decrying divisiveness.
It seems to me what they really want is a unified front where everyone just agrees with them. "You're being divisive" translates to "just agree with me" or worse "just do as I say".

But divisiveness is who we are. That's what our society is all about. The society ISIL wants to create bans divisiveness and disagreement.

ISIL aren't trying to forment division in our society. They don't give a damn whether we're united or not. The only separation they're interested in a separating our heads from our torsos, or separating our men from their soon-to-be sex slaves.

The likes of Aly use ISIL as a bogey-man to try to enforce their own prejudices. ISIL is a threat to our way of life and so is attempted uniformity of thought.

"Makes Morrison's wanting 'majority Christians' when 98% are Muslim look so petty." Yes 98% are muslim. Also 98% or so of the terrorists in their midst are also muslim. Taking Christians seems the prudent thing to do. Bringing in more potential suicide bombers, not so much.

LEGO,

Thanks for the welcome. But I have actual been on OLO for over a decade now and prior to that I was on its original discussion group using Yahoo groups as the base.

But I'm not a regular. I come back regularly to see how its going here, post for a while, get bored with dealing with the morons (no names mind you :) ) and move on. But OLO has a special place and I admire what GrahamY has done.

My main aim is to test my own views. You read, you study you ponder and then you form an opinion. But the best way to test the validity of your conclusions is to put them out there and see what holes others can punch in your ideas. (Screaming "zionist troll" doesn't count - sorry Arjay). So we rely on the rest of the cohort being reasonably intelligent and analytic. My guess is that there were more such people in the past. You'd assume they've gone elsewhere but I don't know where - every been to The Conversation?, sheesh.

My rough idea is that we, as a society, have become more entrenched in our individual views partly because the stakes are now much greater. The heyday of the Howard golden years allowed for less stridency in views, and its a shame that has, apparently, gone.

Still, thanks for the welcome, anyway.