Apologists are desperately working their spin to blame the victims and to make the offenders, the terrorists, the victims instead.

The author is careful not to mention that ISIS has declared war on the non-Islamic world in accord with the Koran. France is just one of the countries targeted.

The Australian government should pay heed to surveys of Muslims living in France, where it is alleged that in excess of a third of Muslims who have been given claimed asylum and citizenship believe that suicide bombing is justified and OK.

Proof that the second and later generations of migrants can become even more fundamentalist than their parents is in the far greater numbers of young Muslims who believe that suicide bombing is justified.

What is it about Islam that there are so many psychopaths?

France, 14/11/15
"On Saturday, the owner of the Comptoir Voltaire told L’Express that the terrorist had come into the café calmly. He sat and he took in the scene at 253 Boulevard Voltaire, the sipping and chattering clientele. He waited to order before he detonated his suicide belt."
http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/fait-divers/a-nation-le-kamikaze-s-est-fait-sauter-en-passant-la-commande_1735885.html

diver dan, possibly true elsewhwere, but not in the land of OZ where over 50% of the population have had enough of multi-CULT-uralism & are taking this issue a lot more seriously.

Cobber the hound, your joking surely, or are you really that stupid?

Rhosty, the wisdom of white men over 50 again, sounds good to me.

Geoff of Perth, i hear where you are coming from, the 1% ruling, left wing elites & international banksters will do anything to take over the world. Having said all that, islam is 100% evil & has been for 1,400 years. There are better ways to deal with it than another nasty war though.

ttbn, too true.

imajulianutter, hear, hear.

EVERYBODY,

Q, the first time this happened to France was? A, Battle of Tours, also called Battle of Poitiers , Tours, (October 732), victory won by Charles Martel, the de facto ruler of the Frankish kingdoms, over Muslim invaders from Spain. The battlefield cannot be exactly located, but it was fought somewhere between Tours and Poitiers, in what is now west-central France.

http://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Tours has anything changed much? NO

36,000,000 results to a standard Google search.
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?ei=SVRJVq2QFeGhmQW6xbWwAw&ved=0CAUQqS4oAw#q=the+battle+of+tours

Q 1, has islam been reformed before? A, YES on more than one occasion & each time it got more extreme.

Q 2, can we learn lessons from the Christian reformation? A, YES, the Bible did not need to be rewritten or reinterpreted. Corrupt senior management in the Catholic church 500 years ago were not following the morals, ethics or principles of Jesus that are clearly written in the Bible. Judeo/Christian theology also teaches us that corrupt individuals have been with us for thousands of years & eternal vigilance is the key to being happier, healthier & wealthier.

Paris is obviously a terrorist magnate, for its increasing military adventures in Syria.

Likewise other western countries face the same risks.

Muslim extremism is only going to increase as western influence increases.

Unfortunately there are many costs associated with this scenario.

Increasingly in the US and UK in particular, and other western democracies, we are seeing an ever increasing corporatising of governments, the radical increase of the surveillance state (spying and monitoring of everyone, not just the bad guys), a hollowing out of the middle class, with higher and higher taxes going to pay for these foreign war related antics.

More and more people join the ranks of the working poor, that is if they have a job. Real US unemployment is at around 25% and growing.

All of these people are becoming disenfranchised, it's not just Muslims.

Here in Australia, the "right" to own a home is becoming a pipe dream for many, debt peonage for a majority.

As time progresses it won't be just Muslims who go off the rails, it will be the common man who also has nothing to lose.

Socially, politically, and economically things are slowly but surely going to hell in a hand basket, hold on tight, the ride is only going to get rougher,

With multiculturalism falling down around his ears, Binoy Kampmark had to dream up another apology for Islamic terrorism, and try to think up some sort of spin to reassure the True Believers and the dhimmie wits. But Binoy did a particularly bad job of it this time.

His premise is to say, well gee, it was just another terrorist incident in Paris. It is perfectly normal. Happens all the time. So what the heck? And those accursed media outlets just keep repeating the scenes of Parisian terrorism on TV, which just makes the public thing that there is a problem.

Naah, that won't wash, Binoy. Although, I have to admit that you did have a real challenge this time.

The biggest problem you have about this incident, Binoy, was that the stupid Muslim schmucks deliberately targeted the young, trendy lefties, the very ones most enamoured of multiculturalism. It was a bad enough shock to the trendies when the left wing icon "Charlie Hedbo" was hit by Muslim terrorists, but when lefties themselves get personally targeted by Muslims, the times may well be a changin'.

The Muslims struck at locations in Paris that equated to Newtown or Glebe in Sydney, the very "progressive" areas most favoured by idealistic people who vote for the multiculturalism endorsing, and Muslim sucking, Greens Party. Idealism is a wonderful thing, but the most reliable indicator of what people will so, is their search for safety.

It has been noted previously, that those who most approve of multiculturalism are the ones who live the fartherest from it's consequences. Not any more. My prediction, is that the coming French election will see the National Front win government in a landslide. The "progressives" are now the conservatives they once condemned.

Keep on thinking up excuses and spin about how wonderful multiculturalism is, Binoy. Because your job depends on it. But people are starting to get frightened. And we only have to look at how bad it has become in Europe to realise that Australia at least can still do something about it.

The tragedy in France should serve to really focus the debate on Australia's role in the conflict. That our involvement puts Australian civilians at risk here at home is a given. Once you cut through all the religious posturing the statement from ISIS claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks was pretty clear, Paris was targeted because;

“as long as they boast about their war against Islam in France and their strikes against Muslims in the lands of the Caliphate with their jets, which were of no avail to them in the filthy streets and alleys of Paris”

France was the first of the Allies to start bombing along side the US in Syria and Iraq. That is why the French pronouncement that they were now at war with ISIS is a touch disingenuous. What else do you call the earlier months of French bombing?

The list of countries conducting air-strikes also include Canada, the UK, Russia, Turkey and Jordan. Many of these countries have had recent calculated terrorism incidents like the downing of the Russian airliner or the massive bomb in Turkey killing 90.

There are estimated to be 6 ex-Saddam Sunni generals in the ISIS organisation. If you go dropping bombs on these people's heads you really shouldn't be surprised at a sophisticated response. These guys are not there primarily because they are religious fanatics but rather because was ISIS really is the only game in town in Northern Iraq, one that helped protect them from Iraqi government death squads and one that allows them to take the fight up to incursions from the Kurds and Assad forces.

I accept the argument that when we were asked by the US to be part of a coalition outside of a UN mandate we felt we had to support them. Having a big friend is pretty important in the grand scheme of things and the US is the biggest. We are counting on their help if needed so this is part of the bargain.

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But it is pretty obvious that if ISIS hasn't any other means of striking our forces militarily (when we are bombing from 40,000ft) then the option to attack soft targets becomes far more attractive. We would be very foolish to think are not in their sights.

The new Canadian government has not made up its mind if it will continue bombing ISIS targets. However they probably do not feel the need to unquestioning support of the US like we do. My instinct is that they will deem the risk to their civilians as too great and return to assisting nonmilitarily.

Hear is my contention. One can only imagine the impotent rage the air-strikes spur in ISIS so if we are committed to armed conflict with ISIS, and everyone agrees that air-strikes alone will not defeat them, then Australia needs to put boots on the ground. Yes to put our troops in harms way. If they are in the reach of ISIS retaliatory strikes then the likelihood of them planning an operation in Australia like the one in Paris should be diminished.