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Giving men a strong voice: what goes on Inside Man : Comments

By Peter West, published 13/11/2015

Inside Man, a new book published in Australia and the UK, raises many issues about being a man and how men can lead fruitful lives.

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Oppression by women for women against men comes out in female dominated professions, eg.

1. nursing - where males nurses may be addressed as "sister" and

2. primary school teaching - where the male minority are (scuse the French) "henpecked" and harried by the clittorati.
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 13 November 2015 9:14:24 AM
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"" The best women will support men and stand by them. "
Lol! Isn't that the words of a country & western song "Stand by your man"?
You have got to be kidding!
What century was this author born in?

Plantagenet, I don't know where you have been nursing, but in 30 years of nursing I never heard one person call a male nurse 'Sister'. They were all called nurse.
Are you suggesting men shouldn't be able to be nurses?
I think you are being a little hysterical.

Maybe you feel the same way about women who are in male dominated areas like politics and business organizations being called 'chairman' ?
Posted by Suseonline, Friday, 13 November 2015 10:31:37 AM
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Hi Suse

I advocate my chairperson-like opinions over your actual experience any time.

Even if am "hysterical" as you so aptly put it.

So there!

:)
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 13 November 2015 10:38:48 AM
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It is true than there are generally no strong positive male role models portrayed in the media. But isnt that just an extension of the fact that there is no strong sane and balanced male culture to be found anywhere at all. And that almost everywhere you look there has been and is corruption all the way down the line. Such was essentially always the case but in these media saturated times all of the (toxic) emperors are now almost instantaneously seen to have to clothes.

So where are young males going to find sane and balanced male role models? From Hollywood or TV!

Beginning at a very young age many young males spend a lot of time playing video games that are saturated with psycho-pathic violence. Some/many of which are produced by the Pentagon.
These electronic video games are not just forms of harmless entertainment like playing cowboys and indians in the back yard in the before TV olden days. They are very potent propaganda tools which are effectively brain-washing those that play them.
You quite literally become what you put your attention on, especially in ones formative years when the neurological pathways of the brain and central nervous system, and hence ones psyche altogether are still developing.

But what does it take to become a mature male. First you need a mature male culture into which adolescent males have to be initiated in to. No such culture exists any more - it probably never did. Father did not necessarily know what was best. Nor did Ward Cleaver or Ozzie from Ozzie & Harriet.

Two of my favorite writers who have explored at a depth level what it takes to become a responsible male in this world are David Deida via his book The Way of the Superior Man and his work altogether. And Robert Augustus Masters via his work altogether. His recent book Emotional Intimacy is a gem.
Responsible meaning that one takes full responsibility for ones action and emotional presence in the world knowing full well that there is no one and no thing to blame.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 13 November 2015 12:06:22 PM
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best gift besides God I have is a wonderful woman who has stood alongside me. No one can really respect a man not prepared to lead his family.
Posted by runner, Friday, 13 November 2015 4:01:51 PM
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It is difficult to comment constructively on an article such as this, when you disagree so completely with the opening premise.

"Our society is becoming a femocracy in which men and masculinity are being marginalised. Men are being edged out of the family, the workplace and wider society. In this feminised society, men who act like women are clearly preferred to men who act like men."

"Marginalization" of men is not accomplished through the existence of the couple of groups established by women, for women, that the author refers to. Especially when placed in the context of thousands of years of history in which women were genuinely marginalised in society into an entirely separate role. Women senators in Ancient Rome? I don't think so. Women members of parliament in western democracies? Only very recently. Women running businesses in Victorian England - or twentieth century Australia, for that matter? Rarer than hen's teeth.

That's marginalization.

Whining article such as this do nothing to further the cause of "men", mostly because the type of male used as illustration is clutching at straws in blaming women for any and every misfortune that has befallen them.

"The voices are familiar to me from the men who speak to me in unguarded conversations in pubs and cars and coffee-shops, when they feel they can speak what is in their hearts."

I'm sincerely grateful that I have had very few such conversations myself. On the rare occasions when it has happened, I find myself either telling them to stop whingeing, and start taking some responsibility for their own lives instead of blaming others, or walking quickly away.

Feeling privately sorry for them is one thing. Encouraging their woebegone self-pity, even by nodding patiently, is entirely another.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 13 November 2015 5:30:13 PM
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