Thank you for that quote, ttbn, that goes into my "clangers" file.

And cheers to you, Joe, I like your posts too.

Here is one for you, ttbn. Food for thought. Bon apetite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5eP2BDfL-s

ttbn, spot on there are NO moderate Muslims.

Loudmouth, heading in the right direction but only halfway there. Mohammed did the abrogation himself. Every Imam since Mohammed has added to the Sharia Law by following the example of Mohammed exactly from the other 2 holy books of Islam.

Quran http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronological_Order_of_the_Qur'an

& Al-sira https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophetic_biography

i take it from your lack of comment on my earlier post that you agree with it completely?

Hi Imacentrist moderate,

Yes, of course, surahs in the Koran have been abrogated almost from the day they were 'promulgated' or put together in their original garbled fashion - in fact, it may be that the Koran itself didn't exist in its full form for decades or even centuries, in a long process of initiation o new dictats and abrogation of old ones. That's well known.

The process of constructing, and reconstructing, the Koran has gone on, perhaps even up to the present, long after Muhamed is supposed to have got on his winged horse and flown from Mecca to Jerusalem, in order to climb up Jacob's Ladder to Heaven, thereby making Jerusalem a sacred place forever to Muslims. I'm not sure what happened to the winged horse after that, maybe it just rejoined all the other winged horses out in their paddock.

It would be great to see a Koran with all the abrogated bits removed. I suspect it would be a lot thinner.

Yes, I suspect that the Trots and other useful idiots are working to a warped Gramscian plan to destroy Western social institutions from within - and to help fascist groups like IS to destroy them from without. I've been trying to understand this but it's possible that even Gramsci realised that banking on the working class to sacrifice itself for the benefit of The Revolution and its Natural Leaders, i.e. 'revolutionary' intellectuals and professionals. So others had to be found to do the work.

As part of that cunning plan, the Trots believe that they can use fascist groups like IS, get them to do the overthrowing and undermining of Western society, and then take over. In other words, the useful idiots assume that they can treat fascist groups as if THEY are the useful idiots.

Hilarious.

Joe
www.firstsources.info

Loudmouth, you are still missing the point. The Quran WAS put together very quickly after Mohammed died. There was NO argument over the Surah content at all, only the exact Chronological order. The Head Imam settled that argument by saying the book should be arranged by size, but in Islam school every body studies it in chronological order & there are only about 2 or 3 versions of that which are very close to each other anyway. EG, some Imams think #9 is last, others think #110 is last. They all agree on which Surahs are from the Mecca period & which are from the Medina period.

The Quran cannot be rewritten. We have only 2 hopes for world peace. 1, do not allow any Muslims to travel to non Muslim nations. 2, offer ALL of them an opportunity to convert to either Christianity or Judaism.

There is nothing hilarious about treason, sedition & sabotage. We are being invaded by both Islam & Communist China as well because of these "useful idiots".

When muslims become Australian citizens and swear allegiance
to Australia. A clause should be added asking them if they
can obey the laws of the Australian Government above the
Laws of the Koran.
Any who say no,cannot swear true allegiance and so should be
denied citizenship.

Europe has basically fallen to the Muslims now anyway.
With 800.000 muslims invading Germany albeit as refugees,
They will hold the voting balance of power in that country,
Because it is not the majority in reality who decide elections
but the few thousand shifting voters.
Therefore any future politician in Germany will avoid offending
any muslim voters if possible to retain power.

Also the muslims in the form of more African muslims coming in
and muslims in countries to our north could combine forces to
defeat us if conflict does break out. After we are defeated they would then probably share the country, probably dividing it up into
3 separate countries. One Arab muslims, one African muslims and
one Indonesian Muslims. Although, none of them could turn their backs on the others once their common enemy the white man was gone.
No more, "we are all muslim brothers then."