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What is the reality of ethnic communities? : Comments

By Richard King, published 21/10/2015

These different groups are assumed to have 'leaders' – unelected and often unaccountable – with whom, and through whom, the government speaks.

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Extremism, be it christian fundamentalism, with the worship of snakes, or at war with others over who owns God or the veracity or otherwise of his "approved" teachings? At the very root of these contrived differences is and always has been an inherent evil.

Were this not true there would be no conflict in the middle east and or thoroughly seduced folks going off to commit the most evil heinous acts known to mankind!

Simply put, folks are not born evil hating others for their beliefs or the color of their skin, rather than the content of their character.

We need to bring these still untainted kids together and allow them to interact, not fence them off in special schools that highlight every difference or perceived imperfection. We need to be a society that forbids divisive division and particularly in the formative years when almost every counterproductive or inherently evil belief is inculcated?

And if that should include intermarriage? Well not before time; given love conquers all! We should be guided by Martin Luther King's, I have a dream message.

Everywhere I look, there's some nasty miserable excuse for a (seig heil) human being is hammering home this or that cultural difference, there is also someone wanting to wield power, and the fool's strings pulled by an evil invisible owner/puppet master who owns them?

Time to cut these invisible strings and claim back our rights as the sons and daughters of the "universe" (creative force) that gave us life!

From nothing you get nothing or perceived impunity to act out just how you want to, without owning those actions? Actions which always have eventual consequences. Tell me I'm wrong when you have crossed death's door and come back as a witness?
Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 9:46:27 AM
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In defence of those "musclebound morons" (of which I'm one) all they did in relation to the Parramatta shooting was wear blue armbands at their October 10 rally and take up a collection for NSW Police Legacy.
In an interview with Tom Elliot of Fairfax radio on 9/10 UPF spokesman Blair Cottrell condemned the protests outside Parramatta Police station and urged UPF supporters to stay away as nothing good could come of such actions.
I've posted the details of the "Neo Nazis" and troublemakers on this forum and detailed their links to the Young Liberals and other "conservative" groups. The Liberal Party and it's satellite groups are providing both the reaction and the solution to the problem of Islamic imperialism, they control the "Neo Nazis" as well as the "Community Leaders".
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 11:21:14 AM
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**Tell me I'm wrong when you have crossed death's door and come back as a witness?*

Wear your credentials with pride RHosty
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 11:21:52 AM
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"What is the reality of ethnic communities?"

What is the reality of Canberra pretending that it alone has the 'multicultural solution' that no other Western country has?

The most pressing problem is that Canberra assumes and Canberra abhors the very thought of consulting the public and giving 'them' any real say where the 'progressive' social policies of the unelected elite who advise and influence government are concerned.

Just when did the public give the feds a mandate for the 'diversity-we-are-obliged-to-have' (but other countries like Japan don't support) for example?

Rather than more million dollars of taxpayers' money being spent on ethnic advocates and multicultural spin, the feds should be apologising for NOT properly consulting with the public on immigration policy and NOT having adequate management controls in place to treat the obvious risks of immigration. Immigration is NOT a sacred cow. It suits migrants but has downsides for the host population.

BYW, didn't the present government admit there were lapses and possible corruption in the management of immigration? Whatever happened to the urgent review of the responsible agencies? Specifically, what practical controls were put in place and how exactly can Canberra assure the Australian public that government is exercising due diligence in immigration?

Precisely what proactive steps has Canberra taken to ensure that what happened in Rotherham and other centres in the UK do not happen here?

Rotherham,
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/415251/lessons-rotherham-daniel-allott-jordan-allott-ben-allen

That is not to argue against any immigration. However it is rather obvious that immigration policy is more influenced by the desire of globe-trotting Oz politicians to look good on the world stage while telling everyone else how clever they are and giving away millions of taxpayers' dollars to get good press?

What the hell are naive Australian politicians doing on the other side of the world conducting rescues of economic migrants when there are forgotten 'Struggle Streets' and millions being poured into ineffective indigenous initiatives, especially in housing, at home?

Perhaps the best solution is to tell Oz pollies to stay at home and apply themselves to improvements in their own backyard for a change.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 11:32:00 AM
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Good on you Richard.

Ethnic communities however vary tremendously by social, economic and political measures.

My experience in the "Chinese community" over the last 30 years may add a different dimension to how multiculturalism has fallen short of its founding ideals.

What you say about ethnic leaders is in accord with my observations. In the case of the Chinese there is a "compradorship" element inherited from generations of ethnic Chinese becoming rich and influential by being useful and obsequious middlemen for the white colonial governments in South East Asia. Such successful Chinese compradors are the ones who send their children to the best of English-speaking schools and universities which then allow them to score the points for migration to Australia. Many such migrants, despite their western education, albeit often limited to the confines of a a highly enumerative profession, when they decide to become "community leaders" and self-appointed spokespersons, simply continue to follow the compradorship mentality that they had imbibed growing up in the colonies they were born into.

Unfortunately for us this is the sort of "model ethnic leader" our multicultural commissars and politicians have unwittingly encouraged - through decades of pork-barreling and bread and circuses masquerading as multicultural initiatives, in their pursuit of ethnic votes and political donations.

The result is that the governments do not really get competent and unadorned advice from the Chinese community leaders they succour. Worse still our current multicultural practice in effect still treats ethnics as second class: their anointed (often self-appointed) leaders are feted but the better acculturated and independent-minded Chinese-Australian are generally not invited to articulate their views on matters social or political. A dazzling example is how Charlie Teo, the demi-folk hero brain surgeon was roundly castigated by the media when he said that racism was still alive in his Australia Day address not so long ago. You see, the Chinese should know their place, and that is not to intrude into the realm staked by the white cultural custodians of our nation.

The Chinese are all right now. Sadly the "Muslim communities" are not.
Posted by Chek, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 11:35:26 AM
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It is not mainstream society's fault despite what the author says.

Many youths are alienated. Some youths who are Muslim are alienated. They may be alienated from Australian society and also from the Islamic mainstream of their elders.

The problem is that Muslim organisation Islamic State is intentionally tapping and turning some alienated Muslim youths into killers.

The ABC and some small l liberal journalists aid and abet this radicalisation process by saying it is our mainstream society's fault.

The best we can do is destroy Islamic State in the Middle East and here.
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 12:37:25 PM
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Pete Islamic scholars were saying exactly that in 2013, if Obama had acted sooner and nipped ISIS in the bud instead of following his mad democratic imperialist dream the Caliphate would never have been established.
If there's no Caliphate in Raqqa and no Caliph the rest of the Islamic prophecy of the end times can't happen because there's a strict order of events which must occur before Muslims will accept that it's the real thing.
There have been these apocalyptic panics in Islam many times, how many wars have been fought because some Muslim holy man has declared himself to be the Imam Mahdi returned?
The Sudan crisis of the 1880's comes to mind as one such example.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 1:29:29 PM
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This contributor wonders if the "public discourse" plays a role in the radicalisation of "Muslim youth" and the rise of "far-right groups" in Australia.

Hang on! Islam plays the ONLY role in Muslim radicalisation: it's all there in the Koran. They don't need help! Any demonstrations or speeches from the 'far-right', or "discourse" by the rest of us, who object to Islamic terrorism and murder of our fellow Australians, is merely REACTION to radical Islam which, in fact, is just true Islam, despite the lies told.

Mr. King doesn't know culture from race, or ethnicity from culture. 'Ethnicity' does is not "short" for race, nationality and/or religion, as he claims. 'Ethnicity' refers to RACE only. Most Australians might very well "wish to defend the ideal(?) of a multi-ETHNIC democracy (although evidence of this would be nice) - and official immigration policy eschews racial discrimination (or ethnic discrimination). But CULTURE is the concern here: in particular, the Islamic culture, which seems to be incompatible with any other culture on Earth.

Nobody should have problems with race or ethnicity (even though they are entitled to in a democracy). The author talks about "ethnic communities" other than in the particular spot referred to because he doesn't know the difference between race and culture or religion.

Small wonder the Richard King gets very few responses his website.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 3:37:45 PM
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Well, thank you Richard King, for admitting that multiculturalism "has a few problems." Although, it is getting to be a lot harder to deny the obvious anymore.

Why don't you just come right out and admit that the "racists" and "extremists" who opposed multiculturalism and Muslim immigration were right all along? I suppose that having to admit that the "progressives" got it wrong again, and that the Bogans got it right again, would be a particularly unpleasant piece of crow to eat. Better for you to just grudgingly concede a point while still tossing a sneer at the Bogans. That way you don't entirely trash your social progressive credentials.

You are now waffling about most Muslims being "moderate", and only a tiny minority being radicals. Excuse me, could you tell me what a "moderate" Muslim is? And what do "moderate" Muslims believe?

Do "moderate" Muslims reject Allah's instruction to kill infidels and spread Islam through Jihad? ? Do they renounce Sharia Law? Do they accept that people who criticise Islam should not be murdered? Do they accept that people who renounce their Muslim faith for another should not be killed? Well, if they do, Richard, then they are not Muslims at all.

We have brought people into our peaceful country who's values are not only diametrically opposed to our own, but who see nothing wrong with some of their members using violence to promote their medieval value systems. And they are winning, Richard. They have tested our resolve on our own core values like free speech, and found that we can be intimidated through terrorism into accepting their demand that their culture and their people's behaviour must never be criticised.

Lefties are lining up to support the implementation of laws against "hate speech", which is a euphemism for "never criticise a minority", especially Islam, which really does need some informed criticism. Like battered wives who claim that the beatings from their husbands were all their own fault, the Muslims are succeeding in making western society blame ourselves for their own violence.

Western democracy today is now Islam's bitch.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 5:15:31 PM
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Richard King, Rhosty, Jay Of Melbourne, diver dan, onthebeach, Chek & plantagenet,

have any of you guys ever had the chance to discuss Multi Culti with a Trotskyist? A few years ago i was in a well known communist cell discussing all these issues including migrants living separately in ghettos, FGM, migrants not speaking English, girls being groomed, raped, terrorism, sexual assault, honour killings, the entire nation divided into separate tribes, who no longer co-operate together for the greater good of the nation, etc, etc, etc.

At the end of this little talk the response was "but that was exactly what we wanted, how else can we smash the capitalist patriarchy? stir the proletariat into revolution?"
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 9:49:49 PM
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Lego,

On the subject of 'moderate' Muslims, you might be intrested in this: in August 2007, the Turkish PM, Recept Erdogan, took umbrage at the term 'moderate Muslim', saying that such a description of Muslims is "very ugly"; and, "it is offensive and an insult to our religion".

He finished by saying, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's that." Makes the apologists here look a bit silly does it not?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 9:58:29 PM
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Thank you, LEGO.

In the uncritical view of Muslims, the Koran was handed down - never to be modified - to Mohamed by Allah. Of course, it WAS modified, quickly an often, by the useful method of 'abrogation', by which later verses, and hadiths, etc., written long after Mohamed, overrule earlier verses.

Faithful Muslims follow the Koran to the letter. Some of those faithful join Da'esh.

I'm just working through an old book (1946) on Colonial Land Law and Custom: in most African colonies up to then (and Cyprus, Malaya, and even Ceylon), Muhammadan (Muslim) law applied to any property owned by Muslims. Most land was agricultural. But all law evolves, and land law in the British dependencies was evolving very rapidly.

Farmers need to borrow, to mortgage their land, in order to finance improvements. But Muslim law, the Koran, forbids usury, making money on loans. So, ever-inventive, abiding by Koranic law yet profiting from making loans, Muslim kadis and imams devised what they called a 'conditional sale', whereby the borrower's property was technically 'bought' by the money-lender, for the amount sought, who then charged the farmer-borrower rent for it. Brilliant: no interest, but rent, which was probably higher than interest payments might have been - and required the 'tenant', rather than the 'owner' to maintain the property. So one can abide by the Koran AND make money at the same time.

It struck me that 'good Muslims' would probably keep living like that, 'modifying' (very inventively) their lifestyle in, and responses to, a rapidly changing world, while abiding by the 1400-year-old rules of the Koran. But there must produce enormous, and growing, stresses: to reconcile how one actually lives in a modern world while abiding by a set of pre-modern rules.

Ultimately, it may be matter of two irreconcilable ethics, civilization ethics, rubbing up against each other, one evolving with social and economic change, the other 'modifying' or elaborating its basic principles to keep pace with those changes - but not really evolving, and so really its tenets clashing more and more with people's actual practice.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 22 October 2015 8:00:24 AM
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Thank you for that quote, ttbn, that goes into my "clangers" file.

And cheers to you, Joe, I like your posts too.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 22 October 2015 6:29:50 PM
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Here is one for you, ttbn. Food for thought. Bon apetite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5eP2BDfL-s
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 22 October 2015 6:38:39 PM
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ttbn, spot on there are NO moderate Muslims.

Loudmouth, heading in the right direction but only halfway there. Mohammed did the abrogation himself. Every Imam since Mohammed has added to the Sharia Law by following the example of Mohammed exactly from the other 2 holy books of Islam.

Quran http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronological_Order_of_the_Qur'an

& Al-sira https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophetic_biography

i take it from your lack of comment on my earlier post that you agree with it completely?
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Friday, 23 October 2015 7:50:23 AM
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Hi Imacentrist moderate,

Yes, of course, surahs in the Koran have been abrogated almost from the day they were 'promulgated' or put together in their original garbled fashion - in fact, it may be that the Koran itself didn't exist in its full form for decades or even centuries, in a long process of initiation o new dictats and abrogation of old ones. That's well known.

The process of constructing, and reconstructing, the Koran has gone on, perhaps even up to the present, long after Muhamed is supposed to have got on his winged horse and flown from Mecca to Jerusalem, in order to climb up Jacob's Ladder to Heaven, thereby making Jerusalem a sacred place forever to Muslims. I'm not sure what happened to the winged horse after that, maybe it just rejoined all the other winged horses out in their paddock.

It would be great to see a Koran with all the abrogated bits removed. I suspect it would be a lot thinner.

Yes, I suspect that the Trots and other useful idiots are working to a warped Gramscian plan to destroy Western social institutions from within - and to help fascist groups like IS to destroy them from without. I've been trying to understand this but it's possible that even Gramsci realised that banking on the working class to sacrifice itself for the benefit of The Revolution and its Natural Leaders, i.e. 'revolutionary' intellectuals and professionals. So others had to be found to do the work.

As part of that cunning plan, the Trots believe that they can use fascist groups like IS, get them to do the overthrowing and undermining of Western society, and then take over. In other words, the useful idiots assume that they can treat fascist groups as if THEY are the useful idiots.

Hilarious.

Joe
www.firstsources.info
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 23 October 2015 8:42:30 AM
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Loudmouth, you are still missing the point. The Quran WAS put together very quickly after Mohammed died. There was NO argument over the Surah content at all, only the exact Chronological order. The Head Imam settled that argument by saying the book should be arranged by size, but in Islam school every body studies it in chronological order & there are only about 2 or 3 versions of that which are very close to each other anyway. EG, some Imams think #9 is last, others think #110 is last. They all agree on which Surahs are from the Mecca period & which are from the Medina period.

The Quran cannot be rewritten. We have only 2 hopes for world peace. 1, do not allow any Muslims to travel to non Muslim nations. 2, offer ALL of them an opportunity to convert to either Christianity or Judaism.

There is nothing hilarious about treason, sedition & sabotage. We are being invaded by both Islam & Communist China as well because of these "useful idiots".
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Friday, 23 October 2015 3:38:26 PM
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When muslims become Australian citizens and swear allegiance
to Australia. A clause should be added asking them if they
can obey the laws of the Australian Government above the
Laws of the Koran.
Any who say no,cannot swear true allegiance and so should be
denied citizenship.

Europe has basically fallen to the Muslims now anyway.
With 800.000 muslims invading Germany albeit as refugees,
They will hold the voting balance of power in that country,
Because it is not the majority in reality who decide elections
but the few thousand shifting voters.
Therefore any future politician in Germany will avoid offending
any muslim voters if possible to retain power.

Also the muslims in the form of more African muslims coming in
and muslims in countries to our north could combine forces to
defeat us if conflict does break out. After we are defeated they would then probably share the country, probably dividing it up into
3 separate countries. One Arab muslims, one African muslims and
one Indonesian Muslims. Although, none of them could turn their backs on the others once their common enemy the white man was gone.
No more, "we are all muslim brothers then."
Posted by CHERFUL, Saturday, 24 October 2015 10:06:12 PM
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Our teachers are even allowing Muslim children NOT to sing the national anthem, Cherful.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/melbourne-school-invites-muslim-students-to-step-out-during-national-anthem/ar-BBmr6Lc?li=AAavLaF&ocid=1PRCMSRT
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 3:01:00 AM
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Attributing the importation of a Moslem Fifth Column to subterranean groups of "Lefties" and Trotskyites is directing attention away from the real elephant in the lounge room. It was inevitable that a ghetto of Moslems, schooled for generations in the notion that the murderous desert warlord Mohammed was to be emulated by serious Moslems including pursuit of jihad, would generate an underground, with overseas connections, who would do just that.

So there'd be terrorist incidents leading to widespread fear that we need drastic measures to keep us safe. Measures like laws restricting freedom and individual privacy, growth of a multibillion dollar establishment to clamp a regime of mass surveillance over every Australian. Unlike Trotskyite crazies, it would require a deeply embedded network, with extensive "in" group links to government, to create the Moslem importation project and protect the imported Fifth Column from too much Australian hostility. Groups like the professional securocrats hungry for resources and an accepted role. Any guesses who?

Neither Trotskyites nor PC "useful idiots" could do more than apply their halfwsay well-meaning political WD40 to smooth the way to a well-planned police state.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 12:17:04 AM
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EmperorJulian, perfect description of the insidious nature of these leftist scum who control the left wing Arts, Entertainment, Media & Education industries that train & brain wash everybody. Thank you for describing this evil cabal perfectly.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 3:29:51 AM
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Oops, I'm afraid imacentristmoderate has misread my post. It doesn't attribute the impetus for importing the Moslem Fifth Column to "Leftists" some of whom oil the wheels if the meaning of "Leftist" is stretched far enough, but to the securocrat industry. Outfits like ASIO.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 2:19:40 PM
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