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By Fred Pearce, published 14/10/2015'The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding is going to come out of the oven in Paris,' says a U.N. official. In fact, he said, they leave the world on course for at least 3 degrees C of warming.
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 11:33:52 PM
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I wonder if anyone has worked out how many billions have been wasted on this religion. The believers in this gw nonsense are very similar to the brainwashed scientologist. They need deprogramming. Obviously they wont allow truth or facts to get in the way of their dogma.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 12:38:31 AM
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Runner, the sciences of physics and chemistry, support man created climate change. The science of climate change was in its infancy when John Tyndall(1820-1893) began experimenting; denial of climate change is a recent phenomena since the late 1980s, created to protect the profits of fossil fuel companies.
In a previous post I provided information about simple experiments that can be conducted in a school science laboratory through to the sophisticated 11 year ARM study which collected data on a daily basis in the outside natural environment at two locations. Quote in relation to ARM study: "Study results agree with theoretical predictions of the greenhouse effect due to human activity, which had not been experimentally confirmed outside of a laboratory until now. The research, funded by the DOE Atmospheric System Research program, also provides further confirmation that the calculations used in today’s climate models are on track when it comes to representing the impact of carbon dioxide. “We see, for the first time in the field, the amplification of the greenhouse effect because there’s more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to absorb what the Earth emits in response to incoming solar radiation,” said Daniel Feldman, a scientist at Berkeley Lab and lead author of the Nature paper."" From: http://www.arm.gov/news/features/post/32853 Deforestation is part of climate change; is there any science to suggest that it is not caused by humans? In the last decade there have been a number of droughts in the Amazon Basin; what is your explanation? Please provide science to prove the ARM study is wrong. Making a few comments doesn't touch it; you need science to show it to be wrong. Posted by ant, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 6:32:06 AM
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"I'm sorry, I hadn't realised there was more than one 'pause'. How many more have you got ready to spring on us?"
Wow, you really don't understand this stuff, do you? And after all that extensive research </sarc> I think I'll leave you to wallow in your ignorance. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 9:30:32 AM
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ant,
I'm doing you the courtesy of assuming that this is not beyond you an that you are being obtuse because you are trying to avoid the nose on your face. You wrote "The question you put is whether climate change is a natural phenomena; or, has man helped it along." That's not the question I put at all. Indeed I think we'd be in general agreement on that question. My point was that, since the 'drunken tree' phenomena was occurring long before man's CO2 emissions could have had any affect, then the fact that the phenomena continues is neither proof nor disproof of AGW. You started off by claiming that the phenomena was indisputable proof that AGW was occurring and disputing that 'drunken trees' occurred prior to recent times. I've now shown you a few of the myriad records of this from times before CO2 emissions kicked-in. Surely its time to drop this as your go-to proof. After all there are so many other fables that the perpetually alarmed can refer to, to try prove that we're all gunna die. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 9:41:15 AM
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Dear mhaze,
Lol Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 10:08:55 AM
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You wrote;
“Its traditional when showing rends(sic) to note the start and end period.”
I'm sorry, I hadn't realised there was more than one 'pause'. How many more have you got ready to spring on us?
Anyway back to your initial imaginary pause.
“Global warming has not undergone a ‘pause’ or ‘hiatus’, according to US government research that undermines one of the key arguments used by sceptics to question climate science.”
“The results, published on Thursday in the journal Science, showed the rate of warming over the past 15 years (0.116C per decade) was almost exactly the same, in fact slightly higher, as the past five decades (0.113C per decade).”
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/04/global-warming-hasnt-paused-study-finds
Your link showed 10 of 11 data sets showing increasing temperature trends of of those 6 were substantial yet you want to put forward the fallacy the warming has paused?
Good luck with that.