How many times does one have to say the obvious? If 'they' knew how to cut emissions enough to stop warming (by around 80% is the IPCC figure) 'they' would be doing it. The renewable energy dreamers have of course captured most attention so no-one bothers to think critically about the bigger energy picture. All we hear is that renewables are/will soon be cheaper than fossil fuels. That may be close to true for rooftop solar electricity, where everything you need apart from the solar panels themselves is already in place. It certainly is not true for grid-scale electricity, or even for manufacturing solar panels, copper cable, wind turbines etc. And it has hardly anything to do with the other 60% or so (non-electric) of primary energy applications for which there are simply no viable substitutes for fossil fuels. Unless these simple truths are accepted, and politicians stop making promises they don't know how to keep, there will be no answer to climate change.

The effects of climate change, red ot one minute and freezing cold the next. Depends on which way the wind is blowing, some would say climate change is effecting jet streams in the upper atmosphere.

Whatever it is we had best take it seriously, climate change is not going to take thousands of years. It is gaining pace with every record ot year that goes by. Ice melt is a large concern, increasing sea ice in the winter and increasing glacial ice melt in the summer.

Remember those scientists that got trapped in sea ice, not there one day and hundreds of square miles of sea ice the next. That is what happens when you have unsalted water on top of ocean water, it goes harder quicker.

Green land is the big danger, the amount of glacial movement increasing and bigger chunks of ice breaking off. Some up to 3 km’s thick. The worst part of our climate changing is we done it. Whether it can be arrested or not remains to be seen.

To Change the ways of our ocean’s getting warmer, and ice melting is going to take more than praying to the sun god. Abrupt climate change is upon us.

The world is expecting an added 3 degrees of warming, which the world as we know it will have massive changes. Australia is in the box seat to become a desert island. Victoria is now in drought mode, all we can say is how long for, the last one was 10 years.

Bushfires in October, says how dry the state is. We are in for an extended summer period after a dryer than Average winter. No doubt a hotter than average summer with 45 + degree days.

How long before we go underground. My plan is on the drawing board.

400 PPM of Co2 is far too much unless we drag that down to 1960 levels, we are in for one hell of a ride. 1950 was a strong turning point, since then Co2 has continued to accelerate, and has now broken all records

The time for opinions against climate change should be over to allow for action.

Recent revelations that ExxonMobil's scientists were in the vanguard of man induced climate science in the 1970s and 1980s have pulled the rug from under deniers who believe no or little action should take place. Management refused to accept the science; profits being seen to be more important than science.

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/08102015/highlighting-allure-synfuels-exxon-played-down-climate-risks

There have been 6 major 1in 1,000 year flooding events in the US since 2010. I wonder what the odds of that occurring are.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/10/07/3709459/south-carolina-flooding-impacts/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cptop3&elq=8e0dc11c6b5540dcb4b434679c95ea45&elqCampaignId=4032&elqaid=27502&elqat=1&elqTrackId=9a13355fb64348128760e67267df4e3a

Cleaning up emissions will have a positive impact on climate, with the bonus being that there will be a reduction in death rate and disease from mining coal and using it for energy.

The greatest scientist to ever grace the world has spoken. Take a bow "Hasbeen" the retired car park attendant has sorted out global warming and before he goes to bed tonight will cure cancer, tomorrow he will tackle Ebola. Next week peace in the middle east.

"The time for opinions against climate change should be over to allow for action." (ant).

I agree. The time for talking is passed. Its time for action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YawagQ6lLrA&ab_channel=JohnGibson

Seriously, this is just so much media hype. Nothing will come out of this 'last chance' meeting, just as nothing come out of all the other 'last chance' meetings. The only thing ever really decided is where they're gunna hold the next 'last chance' meeting. (somewhere nice, picturesque, 5 star hotels, plenty of hookers).

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/04/gropenhagen-prostitutes-offer-free-climate-summit-sex/

Here's what's going to happen. First we'll be told, in hushed tones, that its not looking so good for an agreement - omg we're all gunna fry!! We'll be told that [insert your favourite bogey-man/country] is being unhelpful/bloody-minded (the description depends on whether the country is one the media likes - eg china- of one they despise eg Oz).

We'll be told that, although things look grim, the valiant delegates are determined to work right through the night (stopping only for that 5 course banquet) to achieve a breakthrough.

Then the allotted time for a decision will pass and, despite the fact that they all think we're gunna fry 20 years from next Tuesday week, the celebrity politicians will started heading home.

Then, salvation. At the last possible minute there comes a breakthrough. And we're all saved, at least until the next last chance meeting. But when the breakthrough is examined in the cold light of day we find that the agreement is just to agree to talk more about making an agreement. Go to 1 above and repeat.

Its smoke and mirrors. The sane west (what's left of it) won't commit economic suicide and the emerging nations have no intention of delaying their growth to satisfy the foibles of the west's poseurs.

And in the meantime, the climate, which we should remember, has barely warmed one iota in the past two decades, will continue to do what it does, oblivious to the pretensions of puny man.

mhaze; yep, Monty Python is a good reference to use as those who deny climate change have few references, Watts just tops it off.

It has been stated that ExxonMobil climate scientists were in the vanguard in the 1970s and 1980s.

Quote:
"Exxon's Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels' Role in Global Warming Decades Ago
Top executives were warned of possible catastrophe from greenhouse effect, then led efforts to block solutions."

From:
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/15092015/Exxons-own-research-confirmed-fossil-fuels-role-in-global-warming

Quote from another article in the series:

"Knisely projected that unless fossil fuel use was constrained, there would be "noticeable temperature changes" and 400 parts per million of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the air by 2010, up from about 280 ppm before the Industrial Revolution. The summer intern's predictions turned out to be very close to the mark."

From:

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18092015/exxon-confirmed-global-warming-consensus-in-1982-with-in-house-climate-models

A further quote from another article in the series:

"Documents and other evidence uncovered by InsideClimate News also show that Exxon calculated that Natuna's emissions would have twice the climate impact of coal. The company spent years researching possible remedies, but found them all too costly or ineffective, ICN's eight-month investigation found."

From:

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/08102015/Exxons-Business-Ambition-Collided-with-Climate-Change-Under-a-Distant-Sea

The articles indicate that there was much co-operation between public and MobilExxon climate scientists in the 1970s and 1980s. The articles offer profiles and quotes from ExxonMobil scientists and from scientists who did not work for ExxonMobil.

If you want to carry on with Monty Python; mhaze, the sketch in relation to the knight having his arms and legs chopped off fits deniers admirably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

An incredible amount of climate science has been completed since the 1980s, metaphorically the arms and legs of deniers have been cut off.