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It feels like election time : Comments

By Syd Hickman, published 7/10/2015

Who do you trust most to handle Australia's affairs when global crises of one kind or another eventually hit us?

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Want to see Katter & Hanson winning more senate seats? go ahead, i would not trust Malcontent Turnbull as far i can kick him.

A Turnbull led LNP will be even worse than a Shorten led Lie-Bore government. if Tony Abbott is not restored i will continue voting for REAL conservative minor parties & number the LNP instead of Lie-Bore, last on my ballot for both houses.

the leftists knew they were playing "wedge politics" & it worked. the CINOs, Conservatives In Name Only fell for it. the leftists knew voters like me would never trust Malcontent the closet communist.

congratulations idiot, you have either already lost the next election or sabotaged the land of OZ forever with the 100% evil, "Manchurian Candidate".
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 7:52:47 AM
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No current Australian politician can be trusted; and the Senate and its unwieldy ballot paper is absurd. Don't vote for the undemocratic Senate - too many unrepresentative snouts in the trough; and boy, what a pig's trough it is.

Yes, their is too much debt, and the fools are still adding to it: buying votes from gimme, gimme voters, and slinging money at foreign mendicants and shonky UN schemes, as well as climate tricksters.

But why criticise Russia in the same context as madcap musings on the highly unlikely eventof a DD? And babble about its "eagerness to create confrontation in Syria? At least Russia is hopping in and doing what a weak America and its allies have not done.

What is the Turnbull goverment going to achieve that Abbot's did not. The PM himself is s posturing fool, and a menace to Australia. He is too stupid in relation to the Islamic threat, which he says has 'nothing to do with Islam'. His ministers are self-surving duds, who helped him get rid of Abbott for their portfolios.

Double Dissolution. Humbug! More needless expense, and the same sort of no-hopers no matter who wins.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 9:36:05 AM
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The ranters are in. Turnbull is an inspiration for the liberals. Not so good for the Conservatives, which should create their own party instead of infiltrating what used to be a responsible govt;.

Get Abbott to head a new Conservative govt, instead of badmouthing his former party. Does he have time to work for his electorate any more.

It should always feel like election time, it keeps politicians on their toes.

Anyone that has a problem with Turnbull has rocks in their ed. He is a middle of the road polly, and will govern; for all people of Australia. Not just arce likers.

So you had best get used to it, as life is short.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:03:47 AM
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An odd sort of article which neglects to say:

The next possible date for an ordinary Election is 6 August 2016 !

See "the earliest possible date for a simultaneous House/half-Senate election is 6 August 2016" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Australian_federal_election#Election_date

A double dissolution election could be held beforehand - but the electorate traditionally don't like that and would see it as desperation by the Turnbull Gov.

A rush to an election may force Turnbull into an electoral win BUT it could then signal an electorally unpopular Abbott to contest the leadership at an earlier time than otherwise.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 12:00:51 PM
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Can a backbencher contest a leadership, I know backbenchers call for a leadership spill.

In any case that is not even funny. Turnbull has stacked his own govt; and they can settle in for quite some time. Between Turnbull and Shorten the political landscape is in good hands.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 3:02:16 PM
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Hi doog

Re "Can a backbencher contest a leadership,"

Yes a backbencher can. Noting Rudd, when a backbencher, replaced Gillard as leader/PM before the September 2013 election.

While the ALP has brought in rules preventing it happening again in the ALP, there is no such restriction in the Liberal Party.

But I'd say Abbott realises he is unpopular with voters. So I think, as things stand, Abbott will allow Turnbull to call an election for the popular month of September (2016). Turnbull will likely win the election.

But Abbott (love of negativity and undermining are the main gifts he brings to Australian politics) will then launch a leadership spill against Turnbull around February 2017.

Turnbull should head this off be offering Abbott a long stay as High Commissioner in London where Abbott can be cheek by jowl with all those Sirs and Royals that he worships (after love of his Lord and Master Pell that is).

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 3:49:00 PM
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doog & plantagenet, for every vote Malcontent gains from the left, he will lose one in the middle to Hanson
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 6:10:32 PM
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Hi doog

Further on Re "Can a backbencher contest a leadership,"

Here's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia_leadership_spill,_September_2015#Liberal_Party_voting_rules

"Under Liberal Party rules, any Liberal member of parliament or senator can propose a motion to spill the party's leadership. The leader of the party then invites a discussion of the motion at a party room meeting and makes a decision whether to call a vote on the matter based on the sentiments which are expressed..."

Further detail is here http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-06/liberal-leadership-spill-mechanics-tony-abbott/6069470

Cheers

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 7:01:35 PM
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Turnbull, Julie Bishop and Bill Shorten all cannot be trusted to deal responsibly with world affairs. Foolishly, they probably would go along with whatever flawed policy Barack Obama serves up.

When Turnbull goes for an election, his treachery will be remembered. Expect a loss of Liberal senators.
Posted by Raycom, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 11:32:46 PM
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We need someone who can eat that onion when the chips are down, don't we.
Posted by Bugsy, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 11:38:52 PM
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Turnbull should watch his back at Abbott's fiendish machinations.

Beware the man with gums of steel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmPVCKnkKWA
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 8 October 2015 12:52:45 AM
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A centrist moderate says Hanson will gain some votes, no mention why this would happen.

Day after day with no govt; turmoil isn’t that a change from the last 2 years of treachery. Everybody must be happy in govt;

Contentment has overtaken the whole community. Except for the conservative far right faction of the liberal party.

Do you think Abbott will form his own party, there’s a few here that can not see why Abbott was even deposed. You have to be as thick as a brick not to know why Abbott got bound, tied and booted as far as any PM in Australia’s history.

Abbott may even join the Hanson party and take his followers with him.

I don’t want to say anything inflammatory but you know, it had to be tried and failed miserably, didn't it.

Plantagent So anybody can contest the liberal leadership, didn't they know Abbott was a Conservative.

Someone say’s Turnbull and Shorten are two of a kind, and take notice of Obama. I thought it was Toni that pleaded with Obama to include him in the Syrian bombing raids.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 8 October 2015 9:22:46 AM
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Turnbull’s treachery will be remembered. Turnbull is a popular man, I can not see that waning before the next election. Bill will have to pull out all stops to beat him.

About a month now and no gigantic kok ups have happened. Why would you not be in favor of this bloke. He has real substance. A man among men.

The different attitude Turnbull used in the face of a terrorist attack , shows the depth of character we have as PM. There was no “Death Cult language used”. The police are doing everything possible in response to the occasion.

It will be far more productive to have the Muslim’s on side rather than cringing every-time Abbott opened his mouth. I am looking forward for the day that a Muslim tips police of about a possible attack.

It is important that we do not allow Australian extremists to carry on where Abbott left off.

Four year parliamentary terms is being discussed with simultaneous senate elections. Liberal knocked back the referendum proposal about simultaneous elections last time it came up. They must have known Abbott was going to be PM on day. Where would we be if Abbott had a favorable senate.

Credlin and Longmire has departed parliament house and things are really taking shape. We are in for an era of stability and sensible govt; by all accounts.

As Paula Matthewson noted the other day, "Malcolm Turnbull has promised advocacy instead of slogans ... to listen and be open to new ideas, and to treat voters as adults by having a national conversation about the need for reform and what those changes will entail."
Posted by doog, Friday, 9 October 2015 2:16:47 PM
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Abbott was perhaps Australia's greatest Prime Minister to many* but we must squelch our sorrow at his passing And that of soothsayer Creddybabe.

This small epitaph pays homage to them http://www.canberratimes.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/david-pope-20120214-1t3j0.html

Well Mad Monk Tony reckons anyway :)

Poida
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 9 October 2015 3:10:39 PM
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Turnbull, with his ongoing spin, talkfests and politically correct promotion, looks and behaves more and more like a clone of Kevin Rudd.
Posted by Raycom, Saturday, 10 October 2015 8:33:54 AM
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Why have people always got to talk in the past. It is a waste of space.

Turnbull says it is an exciting time to be alive, so it is best believed, or you will worry yourself into an early grave. Since his instillation as Australia’s preferred PM. He has done exceptionally well. And why wouldn’t he, he has the mental capacity and monetary skills of a professional human being.

I don’t know where the similarity comes from PM Rudd, he had his own style as does PM Turnbull.

Australia is best placed we have been for 2 years. Turnbull is on probation as someone used the term, and the chances of a sustainable PM is being offered.

I do not have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is the rise in Australian anti Muslim protesters or terrorist’s.

Call them what you like but it is not the way to go. They seem to think being radical and abusive and disruptive is a good protest.

These mobs are Dangerous, and not in Australia’s interests.

"More than 400 police officers will be on hand today when nationalist and far-right groups descend on Bendigo in central Victoria to rally against the council's approval of the city's first mosque."

These people are not welcome here; we are quite capable of voicing our own concerns when needed and we do not need outsiders to do anything for us.

Abbott’s handling of the Muslim issue has instigated these actions, and it was not helpful. Turnbull’s approach is grossly different and non abusive, which can only repair lost confidence in the Australian Muslim Community.

We have a fantastic 150 Muslim members here, and it best they do not have to cringe every time someone in power opens their mouth.
Posted by doog, Saturday, 10 October 2015 9:44:03 AM
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"There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet"

Wherever communities that peddle that rot set up their closed societies they will inevitably be sources of hotheads devoted to emulating Mohammed, a cut-throat desert robber and warlord bent on spreading theocratic tyranny by force.

Hence ISIS. Hence al Qa'eda. Hence the Taliban. Hence al Nusra. Hence Parramatta. Hence Cronulla. Hence the exodus of millions of refugees from Africa and the Middle East, whose enthusiasts are bent on converting the civilised world into copies of the crap countries from which they flee.

How many of the countries in which they dominate respect the human right to reject the Sharia "law" of their cult?

I believe the mad monk showed himself to be the worst PM in Australia's history, but he had one redeeming feature: a reluctance to appease Islam. It is unfortunate that he also imposed spiritual child abuse on the schools through chaplaincy.

As for someone to trust most to handle Australia's affairs when global crises of one kind or another eventually hit us, I’d say Kevin Rudd who unlike European, British and North American leaders steered the last Global Financial Heist (GFH) away from our shores, this especially in the light of indications that those who launched the last GFH are planning another
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 15 October 2015 1:27:20 PM
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Not sure what crisis you are referring to, if you are the left wing ALP supporter you appear to be then why do you think there is a debt issue the ALP does not.

Do you think the ALP are the best party to sort out a global environment problem if it actually existed ?

Clearly the people prefer Turnbull but lets wait until we see a pressure test. There are two reasons why Trurnbull is having a great run (and not a good one) and these words are Bill Shorten.

Bill has only three issues, his past union deals that are at best very dodgy, his present is a policy platform that was rejected at the last election and his future seems to be no different. Given the ALP made it harder to dump its useless leaders like Shorten, the LNP should win even bigger at the next election which will be unusual, first term governments usually go backwards...... but those two words throws everything out of whack "Bill Shorten" the dullest man in politics as far as I can remember.
Posted by RightSaidFred, Sunday, 25 October 2015 8:02:02 PM
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How easily parliamentary observers forget.

Turnbull should be thanking the man he stabbed in the back, namely Tony Abbott, for eventually taking over as PM.

Turnbull’s polling as Opposition leader was so bad in 2009 that had he continued in that role he would have been defeated easily by Kevin Rudd in a 2010 election, and consequently forced to resign and most likely exit parliament.

Instead, under Tony Abbott’s stewardship the Opposition’s performance completely changed, such that Rudd was knifed in the back by his own Party and Abbott went on to out-poll Julia Gillard in the 2010 election, and the rest is history.

On the other hand, had Joe Hockey taken over from Turnbull as Opposition leader in 2009, it is considered unlikely that the Coalition would have fared much better than under Turnbull, and consequently Turnbull probably would have exited parliament by now.
Posted by Raycom, Sunday, 25 October 2015 10:23:11 PM
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