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Is direct action enough? : Comments

By Mike Pope, published 5/10/2015

If Treasurer Scott Morrison really believes Australia is faced with an expenditure problem, rather than a revenue shortfall, he need look no further than the Emissions Reduction Fund (ERF) to reduce government expenditure by $1.4 billion.

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Is there any irrefutable evidence that any action by man will have a positive effect on climate change?

If there is no firm evidence, which I don't think has really ever been discussed - so fiery has been the argument on climate change itself - then any money to be spent on just 'hope' should be kept to help repair the economy.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 5 October 2015 11:51:16 AM
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Precisely, ttbn.

The entry-level questions are: what is irrefutably happening (virtually nothing), what could we do about ameliorating adverse impacts (virtually nothing) and what would such amelioration cost (trillions, for no result).
Posted by calwest, Monday, 5 October 2015 12:03:03 PM
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Another anti Climate Change thread. When the oceans cool and Glacial ice stops melting you may have a chance of denying climate change is happening.

Co2 at 400 parts / million did not get there on its own. So just another rant to appease a handful on Conservatives that can not have any change what so ever.
Posted by doog, Monday, 5 October 2015 12:57:32 PM
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the climate has been changing every day for millions of years.

do you really think paying a carbon tax on the air we breathe to the international banksters is going to the improve the environment?

why are the left wing elites so desperate to make the 1% of the 1% even richer?
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Monday, 5 October 2015 2:58:31 PM
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Quote ttbn
"Is there any irrefutable evidence that any action by man will have a positive effect on climate change?"

No but there is plenty of evidence that we can have a very negative effect on the atmosphere and climate.

1 Adding more CO2 to the atmosphere will increase surface temperatures.

2 Adding CFCs to the atmosphere destroys ozone at altitude and further enhances surface warming.

4 Surface global warming causes a dramatic net loss of ice, reducing the earths albedo and amplifying the warming further.

5 Warming oceans amplify the intensity of tropical storms and further enhances global warming.

6 A warming climate moves climate zones towards the poles thus increasing the size of desert zones north and south of the tropics of Capricorn and cancer.

7 Burning fossil fuels produces photo chemical smog and harmful particulates.

8 Activities by man has added incredible amounts of dust to the atmosphere, the consequences of which are probably bad.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/indonesia-forest-fires-could-become-worst-on-record-nasa-warns/682446
Posted by warmair, Monday, 5 October 2015 4:32:13 PM
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Calwest. Succinct, clear and hitting the nail precisely on the head. Well said!

doog. "Co2 at 400 parts / million did not get there on its own". So, the millions of years wherein CO2 fluctuations have greatly exceeded these levels, (more 'up' than down thank heavens), at 270/280 ppm extinguishes plant life; so where did those fluctuations come from? ie, well before mankind came down from the trees.

ttbn. That's twice today that I completely concur with your comments! spooky innit?
Posted by Prompete, Monday, 5 October 2015 6:40:27 PM
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