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Equality and freedom in the same-sex marriage debate : Comments

By Wayne Walters, published 3/8/2015

Aristotle's words are apt in this light, 'The worst form of inequality is to try and make unequal things equal.'

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Saying that the creation of same-sex marriage “passed with a yes vote from only 37% of eligible voters” prompts the rejoinder that only 23 per cent of eligible voters voted no. If a jurisdiction has voluntary voting, the views of the non-voters are irrelevant.

The same-sex marriage campaign has been brilliant - ruthlessly dishonest, but brilliant nonetheless. Even straight news reports refer to it as “marriage equality” rather than word theft. Even its opponents refer to the “legalisation” of same-sex marriage when, as it is not and never has been illegal but is and always has been non-existent, it cannot be legalised but can be created insofar as the High Court has amended the Constitution by redefining the word “marriage” in it to mean something noone thought it meant at the time the Constitution was written or at any time in the previous 2,000 years. Its proponents compare it with past bans on interracial marriage as if there is no difference between access to marriage (i.e., access to the union of a man and a woman) and the nature of marriage (i.e., the union of a man and a woman). I cannot recall a sillier thing being taken seriously in my lifetime.

The whole non-issue is so ridiculous that I am waiting for some to claim that there is an even more widespread example of discrimination in Australia than the non-existence of same-sex marriage. I refer to funerals. They discriminate against the living because you have to die to have one. Everyone has the right to a funeral and a death certificate while still alive. It is only vitaphobic religious bigotry that is stopping this obvious human rights reform. It is time Australia legalised funeral equality.
Posted by Chris C, Monday, 3 August 2015 9:01:23 AM
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Religious bigotry on display again, Many cultures have a different concept of marriage then the christian one. Many of those cultures were pre-christian Europeans ones.

I really wonder why Christians as so against same sex marriage, I can only image it's just another thing that they can wave their self righteous fingers at rather then review their own behavior.

If only they had put as much energy into keeping the kids in their care safe from harm as they are against same sex marriage.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Monday, 3 August 2015 10:15:06 AM
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Equality does not exist in nature, but that aside I find it strange that the presumably-religious author appeals to nature (shunning unnatural-practices) whereas religion aims to rise above nature!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 3 August 2015 10:48:46 AM
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Cobber the hound has reminded me of another tactic of the word theft campaign; namely, the labelling of opponents as homophobic fundamentalist religious bigots. This abuse is used to cover up for the lack of logic of the campaign. It is far easier to divert attention from the argument by the calling those on the other side names than to find a logical justification for depriving the language of a word that means the union of a man and a woman.
Posted by Chris C, Monday, 3 August 2015 11:54:06 AM
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Time to get over the fact that you've lost this debate Wayne; and, those unfortunate enough to be born homsexual know all the risks inherent with enjoying a sexual union with a same sex partner!

You seem to come at this with the premise that these folk have a choice in their sexual preferences?

I mean, do you? If you don't and just can't change your natural sexual bias?

How can you expect more or different of others?

They can't change anymore than a left handed person can become a right handed person, just because you ignorantly want or believe it to be so!?

Albeit one can and does discourage hedonistic lifestyles and risk taking that can have unintended consequences for many others; and a completely different debate!

As for the kids and their so called rights; many same sex couples already have kids!

As do disfunctional hetrosexual couples and single parents!

You need to abandon your fundamentally flawed stone age beliefs and just let go!

No one is proposing that your or yours act contrary to their inherent nature or beliefs; except perhaps you?

Get a life, preferably one of your own!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 3 August 2015 12:38:39 PM
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I think the difficulty, Cobber the Hound, is that certain religious people genuinely believe that the only rights we have are the ones their God outlined in their Bible and that these are immutable, not that humans created them and can review them to make society fairer or better. They view such review as an intervention into something that humans have no right to intervene in - indeed, can't (because for them to change would require the negation of their deity, something they can't consider, because "faith"). Unfortunately they also believe that everyone, not just those who choose it, should live in a way that accords with this outlook. The once-unique now-ubiquitous cultural meme that says "Only *our* god is the *true* god" has been a very destructive one in terms of people being able to get along.
Posted by Rebe, Monday, 3 August 2015 1:08:48 PM
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