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Racists and Jihadis both have the right of free speech : Comments

By Marko Beljac, published 20/7/2015

One is in favour of speech for views one despises for otherwise one is not in favour of free speech.

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So, According to Mr Beljac, people concerned about Islamization are buffoons, racists and/or neo-fascists (group A), for whom “acts of violence are an intrinsic part of their modus operandi”

On the other hand, the people of the left wing coalition (group B) are peaceful wonderful idealists, virtuiously acting against all those horrible people in the first group. Well, except those that want to use preemptive violence against A.

I will bet that on any day of the week, on any hour of the day, the group A folks are more peaceful and rational than Beljac’s intellectual buddies in group B.

In case Mr. Beljac doesn’t know: 1. Islam teaches hate and violence against nonMoslems. That is what the Quran is all about. 2. Islam also teaches that Mohammed, -- a man that attacked his neighbors for 10 years and committed all kinds of atrocities, is a great moral example. Figure out, if you can, what that means. 3. Everywhere Islam dominates we see human rights abuses and lack of freedoms, and ill treatment of nonMoslems (see preceding items 1 and 2). 4. Worst of all, Muslims are never honest about their religion. They make excuses and blame others. They never apply to themselves the moral standards they demand from others.

Remember, Mr. Beljac, the so-called good Muslims have no problem with the hate and slander against unbelievers in the Quran nor do they condemn the acts of murder, looting, rape, torture enslavement of men women and children by their dear prophet. That is why the “good” Muslims are little different from Zaky Mallah, except that Mallah is more honest about Islamic doctrine.

Last of all, you would think that a PhD would at least read his own article before posting it, or afterwards. It is a confused jumble of repetition and nonsense, with the cartoonization of one group (A) only surpassed by the foolish unfounded idealization of those with whom he sympathizes (B) and the ignorance of Islam’s doctrines and practices.
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 8:30:53 AM
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kactuz

you demonstrate why the regressives are actually more violent and dangerous than the Islamist. Blind ignorance and academia go hand in hand these days. As long as your outcome fits the regressives narrative no matter how irrational you can speak from 'moral'superiority. Regressives are able to redefine the term unborn baby as in unhuman in order to kill that child, so why would not they redefine albeit dishonestly so many other terms.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 9:57:49 AM
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Hi Jayb

You say “The only people who audience these Programmes are the Ideological fringe & Fruitcakes.” After watching Alan Jones and Jacqui Lambie on last night’s programme, I may be coming round to your point of view! More seriously, yes, there is an element of elitism about Q&A, and while I sometimes find its smugness irritating and its ideological biases unfortunate, there is a role for this kind of program.

There are plenty of forums where less mainstream views can get an airing. This is one of them.
Posted by Rhian, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:03:13 AM
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Runner, Exactly what is untrue in my statement?

Do you think I am more violent than people that love a man who proudly stated "I am made victorious with terror"? Do you think it is wrong to speak out against an ideology that causes pain and suffering everywhere? Do you consider that to be violence?

Tell me, why do you think so-called normal Muslims travel thousands of miles to join the Islamic State? Why do "good" Muslims suddenly decide that killing infidels is required of them? Could it be because that is what the Quran teaches?

So what do you expect from a religion that teaches that its faithful are put on earth to kill and be killed? Do you recognize that quote from the last sentence?

Runner, I have been saying here at OLO that Islam is a vicious ideology for 10+ years. That is long before ISIS, BokoHaram, and much of the current troubles caused by Muslims -- and Muslims continue to kill each other (and us) by the thousands. Why? because that is Islam and that is what their dear prophet did. Note that he even ordered an attack on a mosque filled with women and children, for "unbelief". So why should we be surprised by a Muslim terrorist blowing up hundreds of Muslim children drawn to an icecream truck, as occurred this last weekend

So exactly where is the ignorance in my statement?

As to killing unborn babies, that would be a liberal thing, wouldn't it? You know, the kind of people in that progressive meeting you went to...

Moral standards are absolute. Evil is evil. Period.
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 2:49:44 PM
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The problem with Muslims, is they have been fighting themselves since it was conceived in 600 AD. Leaders have been assassinated even genocide of other Muslims. The fight for dominance goes on between the various sects, and their interpretation of how they should live their lives. I'm sorry to say having read the history of their religion, it seems so typical of the Christian fights and crusades, and persecution of different Christian churches.

Muslim women have been dominated by a paternalistic society. The educated ones can not understand how some women blindly favor male dominance and dress codes. It reminds me of dominated women during the 70s in answer to Women's Liberation movement. "I don't want to be liberated' All of them married. They didn't understand what it meant to be free of the 'bare foot, pregnant and in the kitchen' belief. And of course equality in wages, work place etc. Free from domestic abuse and sexual harassment/abuse. Anyway these shockers do not present free speech, if they violently attack those who have a different opinion. That's fascism in my mind.
Posted by Bush bunny, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 3:06:40 PM
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Bush bunny,

It is Islam that is the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEcBzxoMB8
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 6:33:20 PM
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