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My mother told me : Comments

By John Tomlinson, published 16/7/2015

Tony Abbott doesn't measure up to any of his predecessors.

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Leo your link was posted in 2009, i think it is about 2015 now. In any case a cold day does not make a cold year.
When ocean temperatures get cold and stop ice melt you can say we are in reprieve.
400 PPm of Co2 has tipped the balance beyond recovery, so get used of it.
Abbott won the election based on lies, so we don,t really have a measure of his elected outcome do we. He will one day get his chance to defend his actions that we are not allowed to know about. Hope he doesn't intend applying for a job with the UN, that would be to much.

Turnbull is the only statesman they have, even though we are getting a third world NBN. Turnbull says it is a stepping stone to something better.
Posted by doog, Sunday, 19 July 2015 9:54:46 AM
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You seem to believe that facts have a “use by” date, doog. The facts in the link are as valid as they were in 2009.
You seem not to have noticed that the assertions by the IPCC about CO2 have been shown by observation of nature to be invalid. When the ppm of co2 in the atmosphere rose, global warming stopped. We now have baseless assertions that it has paused, or that it has not really stopped.
Warming causes a rise in CO2. A rise in CO2 does not cause warming.
There is no science to back your support of the climate fraud, so it can only be based on your ignorance or dishonesty.
You have certainly demonstrated your ignorance, but we cannot yet rule out dishonesty
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 19 July 2015 12:23:12 PM
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Frog swaddle: It is my assertion that Co2 has reached it's peak. the world is slowing down it's output of Co2, but the defrosting of permafrost and glacial ice remains very strong and will maintain the current level of c02.

It is no good saying ice melt is not happening if that is your thought.
Ice thousands of years old are now being thawed and increasing. That can not be anything but climate change.

Sea level temps have risen and undermining glacial flows. Itinerate ice has gained huge amounts of extra km's in area only to disappear during summer, then glacial flows again start.

Climate change is more prominent in the Arctic region, greenland and Alaska. Co2 is the best indicator of climate change as nothing else can compare to it's rise since industrialisation.
Posted by doog, Sunday, 19 July 2015 12:46:59 PM
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CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas, doog, and does not, by itself, control temperature.
Murry Salby has credibly asserted that temperature governs the CO2 content of the atmosphere, and there is no credible scientific basis disproving this.
The IPCC have taken the lab science on the effect of CO2 on global temperature, and by applying it have shown that it does not work in practice, on global climate, which is far more complicated than drawing conclusions from a reading of ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere, as the failed predictions of the IPCC conclusively demonstrate.

The lab science is over 100 years old, doog. You think facts have a use-by date, so what about lab science?
There is no science to show that human emissions have any measurable effect on climate, so talking about melting ice does not address your baseless support of the fraudulent assertion that human emissions are causing global warming.

Why not face reality, doog, and stop talking nonsense?
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 19 July 2015 3:52:53 PM
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Ok Leo you tell me your unbiased conclusions as to what is causing Climate change, and lets not through a bag over it by saying it's cyclical or some such Bull*hit.
Posted by doog, Sunday, 19 July 2015 4:34:23 PM
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Probably the most relevant work, doog, was a paper by three Australian scientists in July 2009, which showed that the warming alleged to be human caused, was natural, leaving no room for the asserted human caused warming.
http://mclean.ch/climate/docs/McLean_deFreitas_Carter_JGR_2009.pdf
The climategate emails came out at that time, showing how perturbed the fraud-backers were.
Warming of the globe is natural, and not caused by humans, and humans do not have the expertise to change the climate, of which our knowledge is quite limited.
If that is throwing a bag over it, what is your suggestion, support lies about it?
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 20 July 2015 3:38:02 PM
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