//Not even most Muslims believe Muhammad wasn't a warrior.//

And? Not even most Christians believe Jesus wasn't a god who got up and walked around for a while after having being executed.

It doesn't make them correct. Facts are not the same as beliefs.

//Its a double standard tat everyone except the religious sees.//

In the wake of the Black Saturday bushfires, in which 173 people died, a devout and faithful Christian religious leader known as Pastor Nalliah claimed he had received "prophetic dreams" on 21 October 2008 that these bushfires were a "consequence" of Victoria's decriminalisation of abortion in 2008, prompting criticism from a former Australian Treasurer, Peter Costello, that Nalliah's assertion was "beyond the bounds of decency".

Everybody agreed with Costello, and Nalliah's lunacy is not considered representative of Christian belief.

But if he had been Imam Nalliah instead of Pastor Nalliah, we'd have a whole Greek chorus to tell us that Nalliah's views are in full accordance with Islam, without even having taken a quick straw poll of Muslims to see whether or not they support his opinions. This is akin to having atheists interpreting Christian doctrine without consulting with Christians to get their side of the story: the Christians are going to come off looking bad.

Pastor Nalliah doesn't speak for all Christians, and wacky Imams don't speak for all Muslims. Maybe we should all pay a little more attention to what the believers believe, and not what their teachers teach.

"wacky Imams don't speak for all Muslims"... correct, Tony.

This thread is specifically about the attitudes and actions of the Islamic State. This thread does not point the finger at all Muslims. This thread is about the actions of 'the wacky' Imams/ISIS.

All the wacky violent ISIS fighters are Muslims! Its wacky Muslims who are an ongoing serious threat to many non-Muslim innocent people going about their daily lives. If a suicide bomber detonates him/herself in Paris, London, New York, Sydney etc, you can bet your last dollar it will be preceded by the shout of Allah Akbar, by a wacky member of the Islamic faith.

Tony, don't try to excuse ISIS under the misguided argument, ISIS members are not a reflection of real Muslims. There are real Muslims who are very good, kind loving people and there are real Muslims who will chop off your head and rape your wife. (Yes, there are insane people from all other religious groups but that's not what we are discussing)

"Maybe we should all pay a little more attention to what the believers believe, and not what their teachers teach." (which believers Tony, the ones in this discussion e.g. ISIS believers; or the ones you are trying to use to deflect this discussion away from its core?)

No, we should hold account what the radical believers are doing and trying to teach young Muslims in western countries around the world to do.

Your Christophobic rants Toni shows how ignorant you are. The earth worshippers blamed gw for the bushfires. More than likely they contributed greatly to the deaths by failing to allow adequate clearing of bush. Maybe you could use your brain a little and look at the life of Christ and the life of Mohammed and then make an informed statement. Then again for a secularist you might not of evolved enough to think that clearly.

Glass houses, runner. Glass houses.

People in them should refrain from casting stones, remember?

>>It is secularist who insist on promoting girls as sex objects and then murder the babies when they fall pregnant. You are a little confused as usual. Then again with no moral base to draw upon its no surprise<<

That is no doubt why there has been a long-running, in-depth and still-going investigation into the life-changing, disgusting sexual maltreatment of small children by men of the (Christian) cloth.

Which "moral base" were they drawing upon, do you think?

A question, onthebeach.

>>Cobber the hound, "Religious fundamentalist are right wing" Do you honestly believe that?<<

Where else on the political spectrum could you possibly place them?

'; Which "moral base" were they drawing upon, do you think?'

obviously the one you share Pericles where right and wrong are made up by humans as it suits them.