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Prime Minister, it's time to boycott the ABC : Comments

By Jonathan J. Ariel, published 26/6/2015

It's time the Liberal/Nationals manned up!

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This entire dialogue is simply getting too bizarre and extreme.
With all sorts of insults, personal attacks, and wrong assumptions
being presented.

I cannot understand why some people tend to get personal
and attack those views that don't agree with their own.
Arguing with false labelling is no way to argue.
Neither is citing one's opinion as fact.

Sam Gipson in The Age article stated that -
"Rightly or wrongly, many young Australian Muslims feel an
overwhelming sense of alienation and marginalisation in their
own country. They feel as if they are seen as outsiders and
undesirables by their own government."

Gipson explained that these feelings breed a sense of
purposelessness, vulnerability and futility which groups
like ISIs prey upon.

We should be interested in reducing the threat of ISIs
and radicalisation in this country - not encouraging it even
further by increasing marginalisation and insecurity of
young Muslims. This can only be achieved as Gipson points
out with a multi-faceted approaches that places an
emphasis on inclusion not alienation.

However, for those that don't get this.
What solutions to this problem do you offer?
What should be done - to prevent the radicalisation
of the Muslim youth in this country. What can we do to get rid
of their sense of alienation and marginalisation in their own
country?

Further attacks on them is not an answer.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 June 2015 1:34:38 PM
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However, for those that don't get this. What solutions to this problem do you offer? What should be done - to prevent the radicalisation of the Muslim youth in this country. What can we do to get rid of their sense of alienation and marginalisation in their own
country?

First of all, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The young Muslims who are not trouble makers or radicalised are obviously the youth who see Australia as their home and they have a desire to make their lives here.

The Muslim youth you speak of firstly need to want to be part of Australia before any programs we can offer will be beneficial. What makes you think the radicalised youth would change if given the opportunity? What's actually stopping them now?

I suppose employment would be a good start. Usually people who are employed have a better sense of worth. Perhaps there's a possibility of starting some kind of community based work that provides a sense of achievement as well as benefits to the community.

I suspect that in this day and age some youth think its cool to a radical and nothing we do will change their thinking
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Sunday, 28 June 2015 2:35:38 PM
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Fox, "Further attacks on them is not an answer"

"Them"? You are defending that grub Mallah and blaming the Australian public for his choices and his opinions.

How old is he now anyway? 30? 31?

Further, you defend the taxpayer funded national broadcaster for giving Mallah a podium and for setting up a politician to be insulted by him.

Whatever challenges and criticisms are directed at Mallah he is sorely due. If he comes across as a dangerous fool he would be representative of the types who sign up to the disgusting, dangerous menace of Islamic fundamentalism.

The only pity is that the regulators are playing catch up. What prevented Rudd and Gillard from being proactive to protect Australia?

Also, the ABC's management SHOULD be held accountable.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 28 June 2015 2:57:08 PM
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I got sprung with a 2 hour wait otherwise I would have beat you all to the punch. Well said LEGO you all have echo my sentiments exactly.

Foxy: In it Gipson tells us that:

"Zaky Mallah is a misguided young man but the Q&A incident clearly reveals flaws in the way the government treats young Muslims."

It’s not the Government that treats young moslems bad. He is blaming the Victim. Young moslems who feel disenfranchised by the Government because they can’t get their own way. Eg: Sharia Law, etc. Ok to Gang rape pieces of rotten meat, etc.

Foxy: the government's need to woo young Muslims not alienate them.

So, are you saying that the Government should allow them to have Sharia Law & gang rape pieces of rotten meat?

Foxy: Gipson explains that:

"Rightly or wrongly, many young Australian Muslims feel an overwhelming sense of alienation and marginalisation in their own country. They feel as if they are seen as outsiders and undesirables by their own government."

Is it really the Government marginalizing these people or have the only themselves to blame. It is the moslems that have rejected in entirety Australian Culture in favour of Islamic Culture. Therefore they have alienated themselves.

Gibson: "Reducing the threat of ISI's and of radicalisation can only be achieved with a multi-faceted approach that places an emphasis on inclusion."

Well, Australians have given them a chance at inclusion but they have rejected Australian culture & values as being unIslamic or not Halal.

Therefore I see Gibson’s article as appealing to the Government to appease or surrender to the Islamists so they won’t commit any terrorist attacks in Australia. That would fail too because they all hate one another as much as they hate Australian Culture. So on it would go.

I feel Gibson is a Left-wing, Greenie, Politically Correct do-gooder who is not worth the time of day.
Posted by Jayb, Sunday, 28 June 2015 3:03:48 PM
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First of all what we need to do is get our facts
straight.

Firstly Zaky Mallah (according to Jonathan Holmes - in
The Age) served two years in solitary in the Goulburn
Super-Max prison a decade ago, awaiting trial on
terrorism charges for which he was acquitted.

He pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of threatening
Commonwealth Officers and was sentenced to time already
served.

Which, according to Holmes is not, of course to say that
Mallah was not seriously deluded and a dangerous young man.
He was 19.

Mallah did travel to Syria in 2012. The "Jihad" he was
interested in joining was the fight against the tyrannical
government of Bashar-al-Assad and the outfit Mallah
joined for a few days - without engaging in any combat - was the
Free Syrian Army - this is the force which the US is not
training and which Australia supports.

Holmes makes it quite clear that Mallah did not support or
encourage young Australians going to Syria or Iraq to fight
for ISIS. Mallah has stated so on Twitter and has described
ISIS as an organisation that has hijacked Islam.

Holmes finds it disturbing how so many people in our community
seem to think that people like Zaky Mallah should be silenced.
Is Australia's moral psychology so fragile?

Will our moral compass really spin out of control if we pause
to consider that not everyone everywhere agrees with us?

I agree with Holmes that it is silly to get upset about
people's opinions on a TV show designed to encourage them to
express their opinions.

Keep in mind as Holmes points out that many who find it threatening
even seditious to hear the thoughts of Zaky Mallah are the
same ones who earlier this year fell over themselves to
"express solidarity" with the French satiricial magazine
Charlie Hebdo - and upheld the concept of free speech.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 28 June 2015 4:18:35 PM
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Hi CM,
Considering that nearly all the Jihadists who have gone overseas were unemployed, employment would probably be a good start. Having a job is a huge part of who we are and our social standing in modern Australian society.

Youth unemployment has risen to more than twice the rate of the rest of the population. So unemployment is not only a problem for young Muslims. But this certainly must be a factor that must be considered.

Don't forget that we already have strong and healthy relationships with the general Muslim community. With all the hate mongering that goes on, one could think they are our enemy. They are not. The Muslim community has been our best defense against Muslim extremists. Many extremist plots have been foiled by moderate Muslims reporting suspicious behaviour to ASIO.

Programs that encourage social inclusion are our best defense. Demonising the Muslim community does them and us no favours, most Muslims are ordinary law abiding people.
Posted by BJelly, Sunday, 28 June 2015 4:50:21 PM
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