It seems to me that Israel can do what it wants. It has the support of many western countries particularly America. If said countries were to impose imbargos like they are doing with say Russia then Israel would be forced to stop all these activities and pull down that wall, stop forceable taking land from Palestinians and recognise the rights of Palestinians.
These backers of Israel are too afraid of the political consequences to do what must be done.

The Green Line is Israel's border, to which it must return as the only way to save itself from its own bad spirit of 1967. Anyone who speaks against it, is either a Jewish supremacist who wants to have the land beyond; or an Israel-hater who wants Israel to rot away from that 1967 infection. As opposed to both types of extremism, moderates, both Jews and Arabs, should continue to mark that line and pray for the day when Israel returns to its borders.

How Israel treats, or mistreats Arabs within its borders and outside, is a serious but completely separate issue.

The people of Abu Ghosh are good Israeli citizens and an integral part of Israeli society. They are extremely well treated and so should every Arab who respects Israel's right to exist (within its own borders). The attempts of Ayman Odeh to incite and alienate those Israelis is despicable. Next time you visit Israel, it's recommended to go there and have the best Hummus in the world, as well as to attend the Abu Ghosh music festival.

The heading of this post should read: Time To Erase Israel!

It long ago forfeited any right to impose its will upon the Middle East. It has proved many times via its brutality and cruelty and fanatical, obsessive mindset it doesn't deserve to exist at all.

It wouldn't exist at all if it wasn't propped up by the imperial U.S., another hegemon which will eventually cause a nuclear war and human extinction.

David G

What a nasty piece of work you are. You disgust me. There are many different opinions about Israel. But I don't recall anything as obnoxious and offensive to decent people. You should be ashamed of yourself.

TTBN:

I guess 'decent people' don't steal land belonging to others to build illegal settlements on. Decent people don't torture and use white phosphorous munitions and carpet bomb a people who cannot defend themselves.

Decent people do not use snipers to kill Palestinian children or use bulldozers to demolish Palestinian houses or run over protestors and neither do they starve women and children (mass punishment) or impede them at endless checkpoints or deprive them of medicines.

Decent people don't invade Palestinian homes in the middle of the night and take children away to be interrogated.

These are the kind of people who disgust me along with immoral, brain-dead people like you!

You are letting your hatred rule your life, David G. You must be a real loser. I'm glad I don't have to carry all that festering poison around like you do. I've heard that the sort of hate you have burdened yourself with is like (you) drinking poison and waiting and for the object of your hatred to die. Just think of all those Israelis getting on with their lives, and not even knowing you exist.

David G. What are you talking about?

Israel has NOT ‘stolen’ land, communities built in area C are not illegal.

Israel and the Palestinian Authority signed the Oslo Accords in 1993. Judaea and Samaria was divided.
Area A, is under full Palestinian Authority military control. 2-million Arabs live there.
Area B, is meant to be under joint Israeli/Palestinian control. It is essentially under Palestinian Authority Control, they deny access to Jewish religious sites where Jewish Pilgrims have been shot at by Palestinian Authority forces.
Area C contains your ‘settlers’ and ‘settlements’ with few Arabs, is under full Israeli control.
Your “stolen land” belongs to no one. The land was offered to the Arabs as a homeland in 1948, who refused it.
They chose to go to war rather than accept the UN’s decision to partition Palestine between its Jews and Arabs.
Five Arab nations attacked the fledgling State and lost with JORDAN & EGYPT STEALING THE LAND FROM THEIR ARAB BROTHERS.

Have you ever wondered why Judaea and Samaria, the heartland of the Jewish race is named the WEST BANK.?
No!
When Jordan STOLE Judaea and Samaria from their Arab brothers, they renamed it a “The WEST BANK OF JORDAN”
After the 1967 war Israel offered to relinquish the land it had acquired in exchange for peace with its neighbours, the Arab world’s response was issued at a summit in Khartoum, was not one no, but three NOs:
“NO PEACE WITH ISRAEL.
NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH ISRAEL.
NO RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL”
In 2000, Camp David offered Arabs a sovereign state with shared control of Jerusalem and billions of dollars in compensation for Arab refugees. Yasser Arafat refused and launched the deadly terror war “the Second Intifada”
2008 Ehud Olmert offered Mahmoud Abbas a peace agreement that would have guaranteed a Palestinian state in virtually all the West Bank, Gaza, and part of Jerusalem.

Once again, the Arabs turned down the offer.

Mahmoud Abbas still refuses to discuss peace, claims he’ll never accept Israel. Children learn that Israel is their country and show as much on their maps.

http://www.think-israel.org/jul13pix/abbas.palestine.map.of.israel.jp

Apart from leftist sites, which make up whatever they want. I’d like some proof from you that what you perceive to be the truth actually is. I know they are fabrications but you search this for yourself from reputable site and not leftist ones.

1.“Decent people don't torture”
Please provide some accurate information for that, because it’s a categorical lie.

2. “use white phosphorous munitions and carpet bomb a people “
Any time Israel has just white phosphorous it has been in accordance with International Law.

** Prof. Michael A. Newton at the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict "the law is clear that there are some authorized, perfectly valid uses of white phosphorus munitions, which are used by Israel “ **

** The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest the incendiary agent is being used improperly or illegally.**

3.”Decent people do not use snipers to kill Palestinian children.”
Neither does Israel. Proof?

4. “use bulldozers to demolish Palestinian houses “
Illegally built Arab and Israeli homes demolished after the court rules it. Not for no reason.

Such complete fabrications and utter crap you believe is rather sad.

5. “run over protestors” “they starve women and children (mass punishment)”
Proof?

6. “impede them at endless checkpoints”
No, only getting into Israel and clearly you are more ignorant of the truth than I could ever imagine.
I suggest you do some research into terrorism and suicide bombers.
Try this for size. Quite horrendous. Innocent children and a baby murdered as they slept
http://pamelageller.com/2011/03/islamic-jew-hatred-graphic-muslims-stab-jewish-family-of-five-to-death.html/

Try this for size too. The 123 Israeli Children Killed by Palestinian Terrorists

7. “deprive them of medicines.”
Proof? You are one sick cookie. Gazan children come into Israel daily for things like heart surgery and cancer treatment. You revolt me that you believe such complete and utter lies. Even during conflicts people come into Israel daily for medical treatment http://www.saveachildsheartus.org/sach_home.html and has a hospital set up on the border to help injured people. The same with Syria. Israel is treating scores of people daily on the border.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-syrian-refugee-gives-birth-in-israeli-hospital/

8. “Decent people don't invade Palestinian homes in the middle of the night and take children away to be interrogated”
No they don’t and if you believe a now totally disproven ABC documentary ….well?

And for the ‘know all’ who wrote this article and claims

“If once the Green Line was conceived as a border that could provide a just solution between Israelis and Palestinians”

He has no idea what he is talking about either

The Green Line WAS NEVER A BORDER.

The Green Line is the line where Israel ceased an offensive.

What a shame Israel is so moral. Any other country would have carried on and taken the entire area.

Well Neve, at the least the Israelis are getting rid of their enemies on their traditional land without mass executions, beheadings, crucifixions, and selling "Palestinian" girls as sex slaves. Which, I will point out, is exactly what the Arabs will do to the Israelis if they ever get to conquer Israel.

The Arabs have been ethnically cleansing anyone who is not a Muslim for hundreds of years. Where are the Jews in Muslim countries? For that matter, where are all the Christians, Zoroastrians and Yazidis? Most of them have fled the Ummah in terror, and the ones whom remain live in terror. You can hardly blame the Jews if they turn the table on their own oppressors and in a much more humane way, return the complement.

The Australian government has the right to resume by land if it wants to build an airport or a new highway, and if it thinks that it is in the interests of the wider community. Why should I be concerned about Arabs being in the same position that I am?

Thank you. Thank you, David G for this quote.

"TIME TO ERASE ISRAEL"

You got it in one, David G. The only thing that people with your mindset want is to destroy Israel. You can bet that I will keep that quote and fling it back in your face every time you come onto OLO on an Israel related topic and start moralising against the Jews. Don't pretend that I have quoted you out of context. Your quote is the start of your reply.

Got news for you David. The Israelis are already aware of what will happen to them if the Arabs conquer them, they only have to look over the fence at their Arab neighbours mass murdering each other to create undemocratic and unstable dictatorships at war with each other. The Jews don't go walking resignedly into gas chambers anymore. Just like at Masada, they are going to are to fight for their own survival, or go down fighting. And they will encourage their internal enemies to go back to the Ummah where they can kill each other off and oppress their own minorities to their hearts content.

Wonder if David G. Headbanger with be able to work out a response to those posts?

One only needs read the above posts to understand that this problem will never be solved by either side of this dispute!

And will likely continue until all that left are a few toothless and blind old men, tap tap tapping their way around a shrinking circle, in an attempt to follow, find and finish the foe!

Muttering all the while, a tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye!
Rhrosty.

Well, the flood of denial from the Jew-Lovers really did come as surprise to me. OLO at one stage had folk on both sides of the fence but, for some reason, now we have only Jew-lovers who all have either one-eye or are blind.

It shows clearly that Australia is becoming more and more American. It is understandable given the Tsunami of propaganda that we are subjected to on a daily basis.

I could argue with those who try to whitewash the Israeli-Jews but I won't. Fools and madmen are not worth arguing with. Let them drown in their pathetic, infantile ignorance!

"Jew lovers" David G?

Why don't you just use the Nazi term and call us "judenfreunds"? Careful, you anti Semitic slip is showing.

I have great respect for the secular Jews in Israel and anywhere else, but I think that the orthodox Jews are almost as bad as the Muslims. I think that the orthodox Jews give the secular Jews a bad name.

And thank you for comparing the USA with Australia. You are right there. Two English speaking people with similar values and attitudes. It is no wonder we are friends with each other. perhaps you would be happier living in a country who's atttitudes to the USA are the same as yours? Suggestions, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Cuba, there are lots to choose from.

Ttbn..David G has no hope of making anything out a response to any posts. His mind is totally be-fuzzled by the leftist trash he clearly believes.

This comment is so typical of the Far Left. I know, I follow these sites.His antisemitism is disgusting.

"I could argue with those who try to whitewash the Israeli-Jews but I won't. Fools and madmen are not worth arguing with. Let them drown in their pathetic, infantile ignorance!"

DAVID G I posed you questions on Page 2, to which I am still waiting answers to.

You clearly are unable to answer what has been posed as truth.

You need to do your own research as this excerpt from a Blog I found about 18 months ago shows. Amazing how she came up with the truth. I am happy to say she didn’t just believe me when I corrected a few things for her. She had the good sense to check them out for herself and came up on the side of truth.

“I always found it really difficult to understand what the hell was going on in news reports around the Middle East. It all seemed like the same thing to me. Everyone was fighting each other about the same stuff. Obviously I was obliviously wrong, as I have found out through my new obsession with history and politics, so here is my brief overview for your benefit as well. I don’t expect that this account is all encompassing and because my knowledge is still limited there may be bits and pieces that I’ll need to revise as I learn more.

Thanks to my awesome friend Glynn who studied Politics at Melbourne Uni and is now doing his Masters in International Relations at Monash for loaning me a book (US Foreign Policy in the Middle East – The Roots of anti-Americanism by Kylie Baxter and Shahram Akbarzadeh) which I have also used as a reference point”

David G - I checked it out for you. You can buy the eBook from Google https://books.google.com.au/books?id=AIofUdBo4qsC
Maybe you can come up with the truth all by yourself.

My word the race supremacists have been in full voice on this thread.

How about a two state solution – both states having equal rights and powers in their own territory, no men born to be overlords and men born to submit? One can forecast the heel marks some would make being dragged into such a peace! Each protesting “our race must be supreme” or “our religion must be supreme”, each believing themselves to be God's chosen.

Or how about a one state solution as in South Africa, a country that until 1989 was similar to and strategically linked to Israel? Racial supremacists there can go on believing they’re “special” but can’t impose anything. The Boers left heel marks but were dragged into a solution when their foreign supporters finally turned against them. A harbinger of Israel/Palestine’s future?

But race supremacists can leave very deep heel marks - look at Nazi Germany and the Jap Sons of Heaven.

Cue the supremacist roars of victimisation!

I know that what I am going to say will be too deep for you to grasp, Emperor Julian, but I will give it a go.

Every state on planet Earth has dominant culture usually that of the dominant ethnic group, race, or religion. Where two or more dissimilar cultures exist within the same territory, and a minority culture is increasing in numbers, either through immigration or birth rate differentials, the result has always been serious social strife, race riots, civil disobedience, ghettoism, calls for separatism, terrorism, state fragmenation, and sometimes civil war.

Separatism and civil wars always result in socially cohesive monocultural states dominated by the culture of the most numerous cultural group. Examples would be Yugoslavia (now Orthodox Serbia and Macedonia, Catholic Croatia, and Muslim Bosnia). Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic and Slovenia). What was formerly British India (now India, Pakistan and Bangladesh).

Your premise that no one culture should be dominant within a particular state, and that to cultures with diametrically opposed values can somehow rule together as one government,t was probably the result of a thought process scambled by smoking too much Mexican loco weed.

The Arab Muslims have no intention of allowing the state of Israel to exist, because it is an affront to their religion. Their religion can only go forward to conquer the world. It can never go backwards. A country conquered by Islam can never revert to the culture of the conquered. That was why they built a dirty great mosque on top of the Jews most holy place. It is their way of saying that this is now Muslim land forever.

It is funny how you can instantly claim to recognise white racial superiority as the cause of all the problems in South Africa, but are strangely myopic to the fact that Muslim Arab racism is entirely to blame for the problems of the Muddle East. Your brain seems to ping on "Arabs, Minorities, Must Be Protected", and looks around for another cause. It pings again with "Jews and Americans", which registers "White Western Culture, Always Wrong."

Your world then makes sense.

I am indebted to Lego for creating a straw man for me, and then pointing out what is wrong with it. Lego’s straw man is not quite all there and is high on drugs and a supporter of Islam, conflates American culture with Jewish supremacism and calls it “White” culture which the straw man rejects – the “White” culture of the Enlightenment and the war against Nazi and Jap aggression - the core of Australia’s freedom. The straw man instead is wedded to the supremacist culture of Islam (a culture which, maybe along with Lego, I reject as the main enemy today of civilisation and decency and an enemy Fifth Column which we in Australia are out of our minds to accept in our country.)

Palestine is an area of land stretching from the Mediterranean Sea to the River Jordan (no further). Foreign settlers occupied part of it by violent ethnic cleansing in the years up to 1948 and claimed this part as the racial supremacist state of Israel (but without a constitution as that would imply owning up to its racism and to where it regarded its ultimate borders to lie). Competition between two (in my language vile) supremacisms guarantee an endless war between occupiers and Resistance. Currently touted solutions to end the war phase of the conflict even though not the ideological conflict - which would have to preclude violence in a peace accepted by the inhabitants (people born there plus exiles) - are a two state solution or (less popular) one state solution based on equality as I (not the straw man) explained earlier in this thread and others.

There are NO other states in the world constructed on the basis of ethnicity. In Mein Kampf, Hitler bleated pitifully that Austria wasn’t.

SF,
You're so full of yourself.

Decent people don't tortue.... LOL
Well if you tortured people you wouldn't be very decent would you..
What an retard.. haha..

If you think using white phosphorous on anyone is ok you're a complete sadist.
Don't you know that stuff ignites as soon as its come into contact with umm.. AIR??
And that it's only safe while submerged in water?
Excellent that Monsanto makes a heap of money out of it though so it can bring us so many toxic carcinogenic products... Awesome.

Prof. blah blah blah.. How much did they bribe him to say that?

Decent people don't use snipers?
No they have the air force commit air strikes on kids and civilians homes instead don't they?
Have you read the UN HRC report on Gaza?

Palestinian homes demolished after the court rules it?
A Palestinian court possibly? Ooops naw.
Maybe you haven't heard of the occupation yet?
Sounds about as legal as a Kiwi bulldozing an Aussies home and saying its legal.

Man you talk some absolute crap.
I feel sad for you trying to support such garbage and keep it together at the same time I think you're losing it.

Israel witholds medicines..
Of course they do, what you expect from a government willing to bomb hospitals?
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/military-destroyed-hospital

Heres some truth.
Israel's going nuts at the moment over the recent UN HRC report on Gaza.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-supporters-to-rally-in-Geneva-against-UNHRC-Gaza-report-407201
Israel even went so far as to distribute its own report.. and everyone was insulted..
Netanyahu's done his block again and will probably send tanks into Gaza again since Palestine has now taken Israel to the ICC and Abbas is supposed to be resigning.
(Its all Israel knows what to do is to punish the Palestinians)
Tel Aviv even tries to stifle the voices of IDF soldiers who speak out.
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
And they are trying to justify taking land in Syria as a buffer for the 'Druze' who yesterday attacked IDF soldiers and Ambulances who were providing medical care for Syrian ISIS fighters and who now threaten their community in Syria...