Dear Phanto,

<<Well I think the problem I describe encompasses yours. If my problem was solved so would yours and dozens of others.>>

I don't have a personal problem as such because it's really none of my concerns what race, gender, nationality, sexual preference, etc. others have.

My problem is that others, calling themselves "state" or "government", are doing unacceptable or immoral things in my name. In this particular case, to force people to serve others or procure goods to them against their will - irrespective whether or not I sympathise with the reason(s), if any, of those who refuse to provide the given goods or services.

But let me give you an example and please tell me whether and how fixing your problem would also fix mine:

If I were to open a restaurant, then I would place a sign there:
"Sorry, no Muslim males allowed on these premises unless accompanied by their mothers".

and if you were to ask me for the reason, I would remain silent, so most people and courts would assume that I am a discriminating bigot.

So let me now disclose my real reason for this sign in the above example: I've heard that it's prevalent in the culture of Muslim men to disrespect "no smoking" signs, so I'm not willing to take any such risk and rather nip that possibility in the bud. Now the reason I would not tell you or the court why I placed this sign, is that had the public been knowing about my fears, then stupid youngsters (Muslim or otherwise) would likely come and defiantly light up in my restaurant, considering it "fun", thus I'd rather say "Yes, I'm a bigot" than disclose my true reason.

Now please tell me how solving your problem could also solve mine?

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Dear Craig,

<<Yuyutsu, if you believe in karma, why are you worried about the law?>>

I didn't say that I'm worried - I just don't want this law (and laws in general) to exist since it is my duty to refuse immoral acts to be done in my name.

(SSM impact on freedoms in Canada cont. after 4th posting enforced break)

Neither does it prevent provincial and municipal governments from withholding benefits to religious congregations because of their marriage doctrine. For example, Bill 13, the same Ontario statute that compels Catholic schools to host "Gay-Straight Alliance" clubs (and to use that particular name), also prohibits public schools from renting their facilities to organizations that will not agree to a code of conduct premised on the new orthodoxy. Given that many small Christian congregations rent school auditoriums to conduct their worship services, it is easy to appreciate their vulnerability.

So, Craig Minns, by legalising same-sex ‘marriage’, you want the totalitarian suppression of rights and freedoms as conducted by the Canadian human rights machine, imposed on Australians. Our authoritarian, pro-same-sex-marriage-biased Human Rights Commission would be jumping at the bit to play the totalitarian agent

Still waiting for an answer to the simple questions in my first post, Raycom, your obsessive cataloguing of the sanctions applied to silly people who can't manage to act in a civilised manner isn't it.

I could, if I chose, give you a much more extensive list of wrongs done to homosexual people in the name of the law, starting with the death of one of the greatest mathematicians of all time, Alan Turing, but since that, like your comments, have nothing whatever to do with my question, I won't bother.

I would have thought that perhaps the author could have answered my questions for himself, seeing he made the original claim, but apparently he's not able to either. Perhaps he just chose his words poorly and is embarrassed, so doesn't wish to appear and correct himself?

MO, see above.

CM, consider yourself exposed as a simple fraud

Thanks for exposing, via your evasions, that your "cause" is a fraudulent one derived from serial, general and specific failure such as your own

Dear Raycom,

Do Catholic schools in Canada accept government funds?
If so, then they deserve being pushed around as they do.
If not, then what you describe is extremely terrible.

Closer to the root of the problem is the very existence of public schools as well as handouts by provincial and municipal governments to private bodies.

The church has been comfortably in bed with the state/government for far too long, instead of calling from the rooftops that states as we know them are an abomination before God.

It's certainly uncomfortable to receive the other end of the stick, but it's a wake-up call.

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Dear Craig,

<<the sanctions applied to silly people who can't manage to act in a civilised manner>>

Your jaws are wide open for all to see your canines.

It seems you believe that those who are either silly or are not interested in your civilisation, ought to punished - and that you have a right to do so, predator.

Sheesh, Yuyutsu, hysterical much?

MO, still waiting on that simple answer to simple questions. Any time you think you can answer it, have a go.