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Citizenship and terrorism: the Abbott recipe : Comments
By Binoy Kampmark, published 2/6/2015Canada has set a cracking pace with its measures revoking the citizenship of dual nationals convicted of terrorism, treason or spying for foreign governments.
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Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 7 June 2015 9:23:43 AM
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WAKE UP. Globalisation/New World Order - One (totalitarian/extreme facsism/Communist)World Government - false flags using Muslims against West. Lies and propaganda. Corporations are them. Murdoch. Corporations against small industry, against the people. They killed Kennedy for his speech, trying to break the power of the Federal Reserve (Rothschilds), and to stop Israel from going nuclear.
They killed anti new world order film maker, David Crowley and his family. They have killed many. The satanic Talmud (the real Judaic bible), The Protocols of Zion. Loudmouth - you dodged when I queried the Talmud - are you still a Marxist? http://zioncrimefactory.com/ http://iamthewitness.com/ Dialectics Communist Instrument for World Conquest (posing as Corporations) http://www.alor.org/Library/Butler%20ED%20-%20Dialectics.htm http://www.threeworldwars.com/protocols.htm http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Research-Aids/JFK-Speeches/American-Newspaper-Publishers-Association_19610427.aspx President John F. Kennedy Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York City April 27, 1961 Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen: I appreciate very much your generous invitation to be here tonight. You bear heavy responsibilities these days and an article I read some time ago reminded me of how particularly heavily the burdens of present day events bear upon your profession. You may remember that in 1851 the New York Herald Tribune under the sponsorship and publishing of Horace Greeley, employed as its London correspondent an obscure journalist by the name of Karl Marx. We are told that foreign correspondent Marx, stone broke, and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed to Greeley and managing editor Charles Dana for an increase in his munificent salary of $5 per installment, a salary which he and Engels ungratefully labeled as the "lousiest petty bourgeois cheating." But when all his financial appeals were refused, Marx looked around for other means of livelihood and fame, eventually terminating his relationship with the Tribune and devoting his talents full time to the cause that would bequeath the world the seeds of Leninism, Stalinism, revolution and the cold war. Cont.... Posted by Constance, Sunday, 7 June 2015 12:36:04 PM
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If only this capitalistic New York newspaper had treated him more kindly; if only Marx had remained a foreign correspondent, history might have been different. And I hope all publishers will bear this lesson in mind the next time they receive a poverty-stricken appeal for a small increase in the expense account from an obscure newspaper man. I have selected as the title of my remarks tonight "The President and the Press." Some may suggest that this would be more naturally worded "The President Versus the Press." But those are not my sentiments tonight. It is true, however, that when a well-known diplomat from another country demanded recently that our State Department repudiate certain newspaper attacks on his colleague it was unnecessary for us to reply that this Administration was not responsible for the press, for the press had already made it clear that it was not responsible for this Administration. Nevertheless, my purpose here tonight is not to deliver the usual assault on the so-called one party press. On the contrary, in recent months I have rarely heard any complaints about political bias in the press except from a few Republicans. Nor is it my purpose tonight to discuss or defend the televising of Presidential press conferences. I think it is highly beneficial to have some 20,000,000 Americans regularly sit in on these conferences to observe, if I may say so, the incisive, the intelligent and the courteous qualities displayed by your Washington correspondents. Cont.. Posted by Constance, Sunday, 7 June 2015 12:39:53 PM
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Nor, finally, are these remarks intended to examine the proper degree of privacy which the press should allow to any President and his family. If in the last few months your White House reporters and photographers have been attending church services with regularity, that has surely done them no harm. On the other hand, I realize that your staff and wire service photographers may be complaining that they do not enjoy the same green privileges at the local golf courses that they once did. It is true that my predecessor did not object as I do to pictures of one's golfing skill in action. But neither on the other hand did he ever bean a Secret Service man. My topic tonight is a more sober one of concern to publishers as well as editors. I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity. This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy. This was JFK's intro to his speech at the Astoria Hotel in 1961 - please, please hear it. JFK Secret Societies Speech (full version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Research-Aids/JFK-Speeches/American-Newspaper-Publishers-Association_19610427.aspx The Constitution - Marx http://www.deesillustration.com/artwork.asp?item=350&cat=satire Ron Paul wants to audit the Federal Reserve http://www.deesillustration.com/artwork.asp?item=324&cat=satire Posted by Constance, Sunday, 7 June 2015 12:51:39 PM
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The Anglo/Zion alliance is an industrial military complex takeover bent on destroying civilisations. Wars that could have been avoided. They are war mongers and use ANZACS as human sacrifices.
They stole Gadaffi's huge treasure of gold and he wanted to stop using the US dollar: Libya was a well functioning country: http://www.deesillustration.com/artwork.asp?item=1210&cat=satire http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO303B.html Carrol Quigley’s (he was an insider to secret societies) book, Tragedy and Hope, which has been suppressed by the controlled press. About the Military Industrial Complex that we are part of: http://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Hope-History-World-Time/dp/094500110X By A Customer on April 19, 1999 Format: Hardcover I have read this book three times! It never ceases to surprise me. Quigley traces the evolution of the Establishment in the 20 century via his access to restricted documents in several countries including the USA. He mentions the roles played by foreign policy think-tanks such as the Council on Foreign Relations and the Royal Institute of International Affairs influence in shaping the respective policies of these countries ie:USA and UK and their failures such as the Great Depression, appeasement of Hitler, their successes such as the domination of the executive government of USA, the foundation of the UN by using socialists and communist spies like Alger Hiss - Machiavelli at work- Here, he elaborates that the Elite seeks a Globalist Government divided along regional lines. More over Quigley sees the Elite as a Clear and Present Danger to Americans and the world at large , this propels him to write the book in question. A more systematic reference can also be found by reading the Bertram Gross' Friendly Fascism which corroborates Quigley's view on the Elite's need for a Globalist government via International Institutions and Agencies like UN, IMF, World bank etc.For information is available even as we apeak from THE COMMISSION ON GLOBAL GOVERNANCE at [...] and the growth industry of GLOBALIST ISSUES.Read also in tamden with Foundations:their power and influence by rene wormser and a series of monographs by sociologist G. William Domhoff to further corroborate Quigley's view of the 20th Century. - to the tragedy, we are the hope." Posted by Constance, Sunday, 7 June 2015 1:08:46 PM
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Constance, I'm afraid I am totally missing your point. What has all that got to do with revoking dual citizenship of known terrorists who want to re-enter Australia?
Perhaps you should start a new thread with an introduction that explains your position and hopefully some realistic actions we might take to avoid being eliminated by the Evil Empire. Posted by ConservativeHippie, Sunday, 7 June 2015 2:29:16 PM
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So, BTT. Clearly, whether suspected terrorists hold only Australian citizenship, or are dual citizens, due process has to be observed. Of course, they should be arrested on arrival back in Australia, remanded for trial, tried, and sentenced (unless they are conceivably innocent), presumably to very long sentences. The issue of citizenship can be put on the back-burner for a very long time.
OR: if they are dual citizens, then the option is surely always open - in the arrangements for dual citizenship between any two countries in the world - for the cancellation of that second privilege of citizenship. Surely it is always conditional and always revocable ?
In the event of long jail sentences, the problem arises that they may be in contact with other prisoners, and may radicalise them. So perhaps a new prison would have to be built, somewhere remote like Oodnadatta or Thargomindah, composed of individual cells isolated from each other.
Of course, the staff would have to be compensated for the isolation by having air-conditioned offices and accommodation, but budgets may not stretch to providing those privileges to prisoners.
Once they have done their time, then perhaps the issue of citizenship could come up. But perhaps it's a bit premature now. Unless of course, the discussion turns on barring dual citizens from actually re-entering Australia. That might save a huge amount of money and strife.
Joe