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Ireland abandons its children : Comments

By David van Gend, published 25/5/2015

More than half the Irish have voted for homosexual marriage, seduced by celebrities to violate something they once held sacred: the life between mother, father and child.

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Wearestardust

I agree this is a badly argued article, and should not go unchallenged. But that entails pointing out its flaws, as you have done, not trying to silence it.

I would apply the same argument to other people propounding views I find objectionable.

On the referendum I’m in two minds. A referendum has great legitimacy. The 1967 referendum on indigenous rights was a milestone in our history that we can be proud of, and I’m sure many in Ireland are feeling the same today. Marriage is a social construct, and I’m not comfortable with the State and politicians having the deciding say on who can and can’t marry.

On the other hand … going through parliament is quicker and cheaper, and unlike Ireland we don’t need a referendum to change the law. And, if we view the issue from a rights perspective, then equal treatment of citizens before the law is a fundamental right that should not be subject to the vagaries of public opinion
Posted by Rhian, Monday, 25 May 2015 4:34:43 PM
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SS marriage is inevitable, the churches have to start thinking about how they are going to survive in a culture that views the Bible's gender determinations as an abomination.

Perhaps, the churches need to support the idea of privatising marriage for Christians, whereby, the government takes no interest in the relationship whatsoever.
Posted by progressive pat, Monday, 25 May 2015 5:10:13 PM
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James O’Neill, true to form, ignoring the truth, as usual, and calling me a bigot.
I simply point out facts, which is not what bigots do.. Bigots(such as yourself, James), ignore facts, and make baseless, disparaging remarks.

The adjectives you use to describe the article are completely inapplicable, and you put forward no justification for their use. They come from your bigotry, and refusal to face facts.
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 25 May 2015 5:19:06 PM
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' Well, welcome to attitudes firmly rooted in the 15th century'

actually Minotaur Sodom and Gommorah was a long time before the 15th century.
Posted by runner, Monday, 25 May 2015 5:32:35 PM
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David,
As an atheist I would be expected to be in favour of gay marriage. I am not for these reasons:
1. Institutionalised monogamy( or the nuclear family), is the only basic building block of society which provides a proper basis for nurture and education of children, which in turn brings children up to the maximum of their potential to produce welfare , invention and adaption in those societies with that building block.
2. That is demonstrated by the fact that such societies ( based on judeo- Christian belief systems) are the only ones which have ever produced the inventions , from steam engine through to computers and internet, which have multiplied man's productivity many thousand times. Other non- Christian non-Jewish societies are now producing great wealth with the use of such inventions but they have also adopted the nuclear family as the basis building block of society.

3. If we step outside the nuclear family as a building block we have no basis for denial of the validity of second third and fourth marriages to Muslims and we lose the fundamental basis for our prosperity. We could have a large section of our society based on an "aLpha- male" structure like lions, kangaroos, deer. One dominant male and a mass of males whose chances of sexual contact are with virgins in heaven or as a product of warfare.

4. The unique compact involved in traditional marriage is the undertaking by one party to make raising of children a first priority in the knowledge that the other party will merge financial and other resources to make up for the inherent sacrifice in that dedication to child raising.

The concept of marriage is hugely important institution we will alter at our peril. The personal relationship legislation already in place makes it unnecessary to fiddle with the institution to achieve justice between all co- habitants anyway.
Posted by Old Man, Monday, 25 May 2015 5:37:42 PM
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[Deleted for abusive language.]
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 25 May 2015 5:57:11 PM
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