In answer to Aristocrat, the Turks should not be prideful of any wars other than in defence of home territory or liberty. Any wars of aggression merit not pride but shame. It is impossible not to be lost in prideful admiration of those wonderful Australians who put their lives on the line to protect this country and its allies from aggressive Axis jackals. The Turks deserve nothing other than humiliation and scorn for their "war" against the Armenians whether it's called genocide or not. Likewise their war against the Kurds fighting for the right of self-determination in their Turkish-occupied territory.

EmperorJulian, good luck in convincing Turks not to be prideful in their wars. As I stated previously, Westerners simply do not understand the Turkish character. Feeling guilt or bad for their nationalism is not something Turks do. Feeling guilt over past nationalist acts is a leftist invention (think how Australians are to feel guilt over 'invading' Australia in 1788). This guilt has to be taught, and it is taught in schools, universities, by leftist politicians, and by leftist social commentators. Turks do not have this machinery in place. Instead, the exact opposite is taught: pride.

By "leftist" Aristocrat seems to be groping for the word honourable. Like what the Nazi ringleaders in aggression were rightly strung up (not by "leftists" as far as I remember) for transgressing.

Is there a country or civilisation on earth who don't
have an episode of ethnic cleansing in their history.
Albeit, even just one Amazon tribe going down and attacking and
slaughtering another.
Not too many I would think, if you look far enough back
across time.

Dont forget Rwanda, or when the British pulled out of Africa
And Mugabee and one of the other black generals, ethnically
cleaned another Aftrican tribe.
And the other general (whose name I can't remember), said to
Mugabee, "why are we doing this, I thought it was only the British
who did this"

Emporer Julian,
The Krauts, did actually have a survival problem
with the Jews. It was called the Great Depression,
when the economy of Germany collapsed big time, with
6million germans being thrown out of their jobs by the
shut down of Industry in the Ruhr valley.

It was then, that the reality of blood is thicker than water,
(especially when it comes to a choice of starvation and non- survival for you and your children),made itself abundantly obvious.

It was then the Germans started sacking all the Jews that were lucky enough to have jobs and began employing non-Jewish, Germans,

The German people started standing outside Jewish shops and businesses and forced people to only deal with German businesses.

Before the Great Depression, the Germans had tolerated the Jews
for centuries, as long as there was enough of the survival resources to go around, it would seem.

I don't think the terrible cruelty by the Germans shouldn't
be classed as a war crime. There was no need for the appalling cruelty.
Maybe if they had just expelled the jews from Germany, drove them off into refugee camps would have been kinder, but still awful.
.
We have people in those camps after having been driven off land somewhere, all over the world today, and the conditions they live
in are barely at the survival level.

So the Turks are one example of historical genocide, but look
around at a lot of the people in refugees camps today.
They were ethnically cleansed in the sense of having to run for their lives or die while others overran their land and possessions.
Isis is doing this now as we speak.

Sort of what the Germans did really, grabbed back as many of the
German territorial resources as they could.

Re Cherful: We'd be in a lot of trouble if the Aborigines made the same excuse as the Germans and with the help of the Indos or Japs ethnically cleansed Australia. All people born in Germany had as much right as everyone else to live in Germany as equals. Problems occur when racists among Jews (or ethnic Germans) consider that being equals isn't good enough and that Jews of France and Britain and America and Australia don't have a homeland and deserve one on Palestinian land in which they are Übermenschen by (their) law. Defining people on ethnic lines, whining about his fellow-Krauts not being allowed to rule Austria, is what quickly turned the bollocks Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf into POISONOUS bollocks which finally led to his precious Übermenschen suffering savage retribution en masse at the hands of justifiably vengeful neighbours.